Ever thought that poker was easy, glamorous and all about the money. Well this one is for you! “This is business …. and this is investing”- Alec Alec Torelli is a professional high stakes poker player, entrepreneur, and motivational speaker from California. Alec began playing poker in 2004 when he won $12! It WAS US Dollars though! At 21, Alec moved to Las Vegas. During his first World Series of Poker (WSOP), he finished 2nd. He then won back-to-back events at the Bellagio. The next summer, he placed 6th in the commemorative 40-year anniversary WSOP event, and then 4th in the World Poker Tour at the Bellagio. Alec is the founder of 'Conscious Poker', a popular poker training platform. Alec has been spending the last 14 years making decisions for hundreds of thousands of dollars in a single hand. Now we dissect the anatomy of decision making to help others hone the way they make choices. We talk: the role of luck in life, evaluating risk, maintaining a positive mindset, strengthening mental fortitude, handling adversity and setbacks, managing your bankroll and cultivating self-awareness. And Alec's power song!? The Gambler perhaps?    Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) 0:00           Cha-ching! 00:30         How it all started 06:30         7 figures up and 7 figures down! 08:20         US rules mean Alec can’t play anywhere but he can in Australia! 10:30         Playing 4 … even 6 .. games at a time! 12:50         ‘Grinding a lot of poker’ 15:40         ‘What will you do when you leave school’ – love Dad 16:15         Playing poker recreationally? 18:20         Monikers 21:50         The psychology of poker 24:30         Emotions…. And overcoming them 27:00         Rich amateurs v professionals 30:00         How do you overcome emotion/ and reset! 32:20         How to give advice to yourself 35:15         How to read someone eating broccoli 36:00         ‘Tells’….. and girls in coffee shops! 39:05         Wearing hats, sunglasses and headphones 42:45         Kipling wants to lose everything in one pitch and toss… and Alec’s thoughts! 44:10         Kipling’s point according to Alec. 46:00         Quick Questions/ Quick Answers…. 53:40         Alec plays poker with Dan Bilzerian ... and the after party! 56:30         Kenny Rogers and Poker 57:00         Good v great poker players?   Links <a href="http://www.alectorelli.com/">http://www.alectorelli.com</a>     Contact Us  <a href="mailto:debrief@unforgiving60.com">debrief@unforgiving60.com</a>   <a href="http://www.unforgiving60.com/">www.unforgiving60.com</a>     Music  As Always by: The Externals …. Available on Spotify.

Ever thought that poker was easy, glamorous and all about the money. Well this one is for you! “This is business …. and this is investing”- Alec Alec Torelli is a professional high stakes poker player, entrepreneur, and motivational speaker from California. Alec began playing poker in 2004 when he won $12! It WAS US Dollars though! At 21, Alec moved to Las Vegas. During his first World Series of Poker (WSOP), he finished 2nd. He then won back-to-back events at the Bellagio. The next summer, he placed 6th in the commemorative 40-year anniversary WSOP event, and then 4th in the World Poker Tour at the Bellagio. Alec is the founder of 'Conscious Poker', a popular poker training platform. Alec has been spending the last 14 years making decisions for hundreds of thousands of dollars in a single hand. Now we dissect the anatomy of decision making to help others hone the way they make choices. We talk: the role of luck in life, evaluating risk, maintaining a positive mindset, strengthening mental fortitude, handling adversity and setbacks, managing your bankroll and cultivating self-awareness. And Alec's power song!? The Gambler perhaps?    Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) 0:00           Cha-ching! 00:30         How it all started 06:30         7 figures up and 7 figures down! 08:20         US rules mean Alec can’t play anywhere but he can in Australia! 10:30         Playing 4 … even 6 .. games at a time! 12:50         ‘Grinding a lot of poker’ 15:40         ‘What will you do when you leave school’ – love Dad 16:15         Playing poker recreationally? 18:20         Monikers 21:50         The psychology of poker 24:30         Emotions…. And overcoming them 27:00         Rich amateurs v professionals 30:00         How do you overcome emotion/ and reset! 32:20         How to give advice to yourself 35:15         How to read someone eating broccoli 36:00         ‘Tells’….. and girls in coffee shops! 39:05         Wearing hats, sunglasses and headphones 42:45         Kipling wants to lose everything in one pitch and toss… and Alec’s thoughts! 44:10         Kipling’s point according to Alec. 46:00         Quick Questions/ Quick Answers…. 53:40         Alec plays poker with Dan Bilzerian ... and the after party! 56:30         Kenny Rogers and Poker 57:00         Good v great poker players?   Links http://www.alectorelli.com     Contact Us  debrief@unforgiving60.com   www.unforgiving60.com     Music  As Always by: The Externals …. Available on Spotify.

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S2E5- Alec Torelli: Life Lessons Learned from High Stakes Poker

Mark Wales knows first-hand what happens when a Special Ops combat veteran designs a leather jacket. And also, how to find love on a reality TV show! He’s a Special Operations Combat veteran. Boxer. CrossFit Regionals athlete. Ivy League MBA graduate.    McKinsey consultant.  Fashion designer. Entrepreneur.  Model.  Reality TV star. Father.  Husband.     Mark Wales has fit a whole bunch of titles to his name, and he certainly doesn’t appear to be slowing down.  In this episode, the conversation ranges from the tragic (losing a mate in combat) to the absurd (an inappropriately long discussion on bringing back leather pants). It takes us from Newman to New York; and provides insights working with McKinsey to redesign a cheese packet; and finding love on reality TV. But also, what traits Mark hopes to pass onto his son.  An absolute must-listen episode with an individual who continues to go – always – a little further.   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) 2:42           One of these kids is not like the others….. Ben and Mark talk CrossFit Regionals.  Tim (having never been to Regionals) is unable to contribute meaningfully. 5:35           Mark’s right of reply to being killed off during our <a href="https://unforgiving60.podbean.com/e/s2e1-sas-tactics-to-fight-the-apocalypse-with-mick-neven-from-the-apocalypse-comedy-podcast/">Zombie Apocalypse episode with Mick Neven</a> 6:33           Mark’s early years in rural Western Australia 8:10           Ben recalls the pinnacle of his military career – getting a ‘black jibber’ for academics as a cadet at the Australian Defence Force Academy 8:30           Mark’s first field exercise at the Royal Military College Duntroon – in which he accidentally attacks his own troops 9:35           Posted to the 2nd Battalion of the Royal Australian Regiment, in Townsville, Queensland prior to successfully completing SAS selection 10:55         Mark’s strategy to get off the selection course without shame 12:20         Mark’s time in SASR 15:15         Losing a mate in combat – and getting on with leadership while dealing with the impacts 19:15         Ramp ceremonies – farewelling a mate 22:50         Back to the Royal Military College – as an instructor 25:04         The motivation to get out of the Army and do an MBA – at Wharton! 30:40         The genesis of Kill Kapture – tough luxury! 31:40         Cost of goods: $1500.  Sale price:  $1000.  Not the endorsed Wharton pricing strategy 31:55         Coming up with the name “Kill Kapture” 33:40         Building the first jacket in New York’s garment district 35:20         Tough luxury – and taking inspiration from military uniforms 35:55         Out of Wharton and into McKinsey & Co 37:45         Taking on Australian Survivor 38:45         Reality TV – putting military Operational Security to shame! 40:40         Tim throws out some more spurious ‘facts’ (which turn out to be true – <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_LaPaglia">John Lapaglia is a medical doctor</a>) 42:35         Celebrity models – former SecDef <a href="https://bold.global/carrie-sheffield/2017/04/06/meet-afghanistan-war-veteran-changing-fashion-world/">Jim Matthis in KillKapture</a> 44:45         Seeing (now wife) Samantha Gash for the first time 47:20         Coming off the island – and catching back up with Sam 48:05         Now  - and to the future.  Corporate speaking roles and a new product launch 50:10         Tim and Ben reflect on their very brief period as watch brand ambassadors 50:55         The future of Kill Kapture 52:55         ….which may or may not include leather pants….. 53:40         Mark on leadership, resilience, PTSD – and opening up a little through his corporate speaking roles 56:05         Mark’s daily routine – doing the basics well 57:15         On fatherhood 1:01:20     Quick Question / Quick Answers – on luck, fashion, power songs and Mark’s coolest Army moments 1:05:45     The Cormack McCarthy quote Mark refers to: ‘“War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner” (from Blood Meridian)   Links <a href="https://www.killkapture.com/">KillKapture</a> Mark’s <a href="https://www.icmi.com.au/mark-wales">Corporate Speaking</a> profile Mark’s <a href="https://survivor.fandom.com/wiki/Mark_Wales">Survivor page</a>   Contact Us  email: <a href="mailto:debrief@unforgiving60.com">debrief@unforgiving60.com</a>  website: <a href="http://www.unforgiving60.com/">www.unforgiving60.com</a>     Music By: The Externals …. Available on Spotify

Mark Wales knows first-hand what happens when a Special Ops combat veteran designs a leather jacket. And also, how to find love on a reality TV show! He’s a Special Operations Combat veteran. Boxer. CrossFit Regionals athlete. Ivy League MBA graduate.    McKinsey consultant.  Fashion designer. Entrepreneur.  Model.  Reality TV star. Father.  Husband.     Mark Wales has fit a whole bunch of titles to his name, and he certainly doesn’t appear to be slowing down.  In this episode, the conversation ranges from the tragic (losing a mate in combat) to the absurd (an inappropriately long discussion on bringing back leather pants). It takes us from Newman to New York; and provides insights working with McKinsey to redesign a cheese packet; and finding love on reality TV. But also, what traits Mark hopes to pass onto his son.  An absolute must-listen episode with an individual who continues to go – always – a little further.   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) 2:42           One of these kids is not like the others….. Ben and Mark talk CrossFit Regionals.  Tim (having never been to Regionals) is unable to contribute meaningfully. 5:35           Mark’s right of reply to being killed off during our Zombie Apocalypse episode with Mick Neven 6:33           Mark’s early years in rural Western Australia 8:10           Ben recalls the pinnacle of his military career – getting a ‘black jibber’ for academics as a cadet at the Australian Defence Force Academy 8:30           Mark’s first field exercise at the Royal Military College Duntroon – in which he accidentally attacks his own troops 9:35           Posted to the 2nd Battalion of the Royal Australian Regiment, in Townsville, Queensland prior to successfully completing SAS selection 10:55         Mark’s strategy to get off the selection course without shame 12:20         Mark’s time in SASR 15:15         Losing a mate in combat – and getting on with leadership while dealing with the impacts 19:15         Ramp ceremonies – farewelling a mate 22:50         Back to the Royal Military College – as an instructor 25:04         The motivation to get out of the Army and do an MBA – at Wharton! 30:40         The genesis of Kill Kapture – tough luxury! 31:40         Cost of goods: $1500.  Sale price:  $1000.  Not the endorsed Wharton pricing strategy 31:55         Coming up with the name “Kill Kapture” 33:40         Building the first jacket in New York’s garment district 35:20         Tough luxury – and taking inspiration from military uniforms 35:55         Out of Wharton and into McKinsey & Co 37:45         Taking on Australian Survivor 38:45         Reality TV – putting military Operational Security to shame! 40:40         Tim throws out some more spurious ‘facts’ (which turn out to be true – John Lapaglia is a medical doctor) 42:35         Celebrity models – former SecDef Jim Matthis in KillKapture 44:45         Seeing (now wife) Samantha Gash for the first time 47:20         Coming off the island – and catching back up with Sam 48:05         Now  - and to the future.  Corporate speaking roles and a new product launch 50:10         Tim and Ben reflect on their very brief period as watch brand ambassadors 50:55         The future of Kill Kapture 52:55         ….which may or may not include leather pants….. 53:40         Mark on leadership, resilience, PTSD – and opening up a little through his corporate speaking roles 56:05         Mark’s daily routine – doing the basics well 57:15         On fatherhood 1:01:20     Quick Question / Quick Answers – on luck, fashion, power songs and Mark’s coolest Army moments 1:05:45     The Cormack McCarthy quote Mark refers to: ‘“War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner” (from Blood Meridian)   Links KillKapture Mark’s Corporate Speaking profile Mark’s Survivor page   Contact Us  email: debrief@unforgiving60.com  website: www.unforgiving60.com     Music By: The Externals …. Available on Spotify

S2E4- Mark Wales: SAS Journeyman- Beyond Survivor to Tough Luxury......

Monika Georgieva was the first female to attempt Australian SAS selection …. twice! Monika was also Australia’s first female Infantry Officer, having commanded a Rifle Platoon and a Reconnaissance/ Sniper Platoon. And before we start (or continue) to stereotype. Monika is around 5 foot 4 and has been 56kg at her heaviest! She has been called a ‘little girl’- but you’ll see that she is far from that! What if we told you that being first wasn't important to her. She just 'pursues her bliss' (Ref: Greg Wallace episode). Monika talks us through her amazing life – from gunfights in Bulgarian nightclubs, through boarding school in Scotland, to her ground-breaking military career and beyond.  In the process, she speaks to her motivational techniques, her (strange!) relationship with pain and how breaking paradigms is far less important to her than the simple act of going – always – a little further.   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) 03:18     The <a href="https://www.98gym.com/podcast/the-98-podcast-episode-7-monika-georgieva/">98 Gym Podcast with Monika</a> – a must-listen! 03:30     Mon’s early childhood in Bulgaria 04:26     UK Army recruiting – how to lose applicants! 06:40     First combat experience.  Age:8.  Location: Bulgarian Nightclub 08:47     Ben speaks on ‘complexiness’.  It’s a technical term… 09:40     Boarding school in Scotland 11:50     Tough love from Mon’s parents 14:00     To Canberra, where Mon recalls her <a href="https://www.mooseheads.com.au/">Mooseheads</a> years… 15:45     Life lessons from working in a pub 17:05     Mon’s time at the Royal Military College, Duntroon 18:20     Graduation to Artillery Corps as one of the first female officers – and more recruiting lies! 19:15     Corps transfer to logistics and a posting to Townsville 19:30     ….and straight onto Accelerated Infantry Training and Commando Selection 21:00     Physical preparation for selection 21:31     Mon’s bête noire – the 3.2km run! 24:20     The pressure of being the first – Imposter Syndrome and self-doubt 28:45     Tim’s single piece of advice for SAS selection 30:15     Ben and Tim struggle with maths.  Again. 32:30     Working with Kev Toonen to prepare for the second SAS selection course attempt 33:50     Extrinsic and intrinsic motivation for the course 34:20     Mon’s relationship with pain…and an out of body experience! 36:30     <a href="https://www.taramohr.com/">Tara Mohr</a> and the two Hebrew words for fear 39:00     Breaking paradigms and glass ceilings (….is not something Mon cares about) 41:00     On being the first female infantry officer in the Australian Army 45:20     The importance of authenticity as a leader 50:30     Mon on leadership presence – ‘always own the ground you’re standing on’ 51:42     <a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/amy_cuddy_your_body_language_may_shape_who_you_are?language=en">Amy Cuddy</a> on body language and power poses   Contact Us <a href="mailto:debrief@unforgiving60.com">debrief@unforgiving60.com</a>  <a href="http://www.unforgiving60.com/">www.unforgiving60.com</a>   Music  By: The Externals…. Available on Spotify

Monika Georgieva was the first female to attempt Australian SAS selection …. twice! Monika was also Australia’s first female Infantry Officer, having commanded a Rifle Platoon and a Reconnaissance/ Sniper Platoon. And before we start (or continue) to stereotype. Monika is around 5 foot 4 and has been 56kg at her heaviest! She has been called a ‘little girl’- but you’ll see that she is far from that! What if we told you that being first wasn't important to her. She just 'pursues her bliss' (Ref: Greg Wallace episode). Monika talks us through her amazing life – from gunfights in Bulgarian nightclubs, through boarding school in Scotland, to her ground-breaking military career and beyond.  In the process, she speaks to her motivational techniques, her (strange!) relationship with pain and how breaking paradigms is far less important to her than the simple act of going – always – a little further.   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) 03:18     The 98 Gym Podcast with Monika – a must-listen! 03:30     Mon’s early childhood in Bulgaria 04:26     UK Army recruiting – how to lose applicants! 06:40     First combat experience.  Age:8.  Location: Bulgarian Nightclub 08:47     Ben speaks on ‘complexiness’.  It’s a technical term… 09:40     Boarding school in Scotland 11:50     Tough love from Mon’s parents 14:00     To Canberra, where Mon recalls her Mooseheads years… 15:45     Life lessons from working in a pub 17:05     Mon’s time at the Royal Military College, Duntroon 18:20     Graduation to Artillery Corps as one of the first female officers – and more recruiting lies! 19:15     Corps transfer to logistics and a posting to Townsville 19:30     ….and straight onto Accelerated Infantry Training and Commando Selection 21:00     Physical preparation for selection 21:31     Mon’s bête noire – the 3.2km run! 24:20     The pressure of being the first – Imposter Syndrome and self-doubt 28:45     Tim’s single piece of advice for SAS selection 30:15     Ben and Tim struggle with maths.  Again. 32:30     Working with Kev Toonen to prepare for the second SAS selection course attempt 33:50     Extrinsic and intrinsic motivation for the course 34:20     Mon’s relationship with pain…and an out of body experience! 36:30     Tara Mohr and the two Hebrew words for fear 39:00     Breaking paradigms and glass ceilings (….is not something Mon cares about) 41:00     On being the first female infantry officer in the Australian Army 45:20     The importance of authenticity as a leader 50:30     Mon on leadership presence – ‘always own the ground you’re standing on’ 51:42     Amy Cuddy on body language and power poses   Contact Us debrief@unforgiving60.com  www.unforgiving60.com   Music  By: The Externals…. Available on Spotify      

S2E3 – Placing Explosive Charges on Glass Ceilings - Monika Georgieva

Heather Taylor, our guest this week, is going a whole lot further – 4000km further to be precise! And in a rowboat! Heather is about to row from California to Hawaii and join only a handful of other humans who have made this incredible trek solo.  On the way, she will need to be prepared to face extremes of weather, the ever-present threat of bigger ships and perhaps even a dolphin stampede!  Heather speaks to Tim and Ben about her boat, her kit, her preparation and how she finds inspiration and motivation to keep going through the countless hours alone, including through the power of 120 hours of Harry Potter audiobooks! And Season 1 of the Unforgiving60 podcast of course ;-)   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) 03:23     Heather’s first experience with rowing in high school in Canada 06:26     Making the decision to go solo 07:40     Risk assessing a row across the Pacific Oceans! 08:40     Tim’s assessment of the likelihood of an incident during the row – ‘Extreme’! 10:00     Some statistics on the row Heather is about to attempt 11:10     A two-week sprint out of California 12:45     Current records for the row 13:50     Heather’s daily routine during the row 15:40     What do you do for 100-odd days in the middle of the ocean? 16:00     Tim and Ben offer some ideas of audiobooks not to take on the trip 16:30     Heather describes her boat, facilities, rations and equipment 20:20     First aid kit and procedures 21:30     Navigation – primary and old-school backup! 22:00     Emergency procedures – and avoiding big ships 24:50     Anticipated wildlife encounters – watch out for the dolphin stampede! 25:30     Inside Heather’s head – the mental side of the row 27:30     Motivational techniques for going ‘a little further’ – and the importance of being kind to yourself 29:45     The power of faith for Heather 30:40     Funding the voyage 33:30     Heather’s literary inspirations 34:00     Heather’s accidentally dark high school poetry 35:00     Quick questions and quick answers (full disclosure – neither the questions or answers are quick!) 36:10     Heather’s fantastic distinction between happiness, joy and contentment 38:50     How to find out more about – and support! – Heather’s row 39:30     Heather’s fundraising partners   Links Heather’s website – <a href="http://www.pacificgiantsrow.com/">www.pacificgiantsrow.com</a>     Contact Us: <a href="http://www.unforgiving60.com">www.unforgiving60.com</a> Email: <a href="mailto:debrief@unforgiving60.com">debrief@unforgiving60.com</a>    Call to Arms: ** If you are a charity or an emergency services or veteran owned small business (or know one!) don't forget to get in touch- we'd love to recognise your hard work and selflessness.

Heather Taylor, our guest this week, is going a whole lot further – 4000km further to be precise! And in a rowboat! Heather is about to row from California to Hawaii and join only a handful of other humans who have made this incredible trek solo.  On the way, she will need to be prepared to face extremes of weather, the ever-present threat of bigger ships and perhaps even a dolphin stampede!  Heather speaks to Tim and Ben about her boat, her kit, her preparation and how she finds inspiration and motivation to keep going through the countless hours alone, including through the power of 120 hours of Harry Potter audiobooks! And Season 1 of the Unforgiving60 podcast of course ;-)   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) 03:23     Heather’s first experience with rowing in high school in Canada 06:26     Making the decision to go solo 07:40     Risk assessing a row across the Pacific Oceans! 08:40     Tim’s assessment of the likelihood of an incident during the row – ‘Extreme’! 10:00     Some statistics on the row Heather is about to attempt 11:10     A two-week sprint out of California 12:45     Current records for the row 13:50     Heather’s daily routine during the row 15:40     What do you do for 100-odd days in the middle of the ocean? 16:00     Tim and Ben offer some ideas of audiobooks not to take on the trip 16:30     Heather describes her boat, facilities, rations and equipment 20:20     First aid kit and procedures 21:30     Navigation – primary and old-school backup! 22:00     Emergency procedures – and avoiding big ships 24:50     Anticipated wildlife encounters – watch out for the dolphin stampede! 25:30     Inside Heather’s head – the mental side of the row 27:30     Motivational techniques for going ‘a little further’ – and the importance of being kind to yourself 29:45     The power of faith for Heather 30:40     Funding the voyage 33:30     Heather’s literary inspirations 34:00     Heather’s accidentally dark high school poetry 35:00     Quick questions and quick answers (full disclosure – neither the questions or answers are quick!) 36:10     Heather’s fantastic distinction between happiness, joy and contentment 38:50     How to find out more about – and support! – Heather’s row 39:30     Heather’s fundraising partners   Links Heather’s website – www.pacificgiantsrow.com     Contact Us: www.unforgiving60.com Email: debrief@unforgiving60.com    Call to Arms: ** If you are a charity or an emergency services or veteran owned small business (or know one!) don't forget to get in touch- we'd love to recognise your hard work and selflessness.   

S2E2- Row, Row, Row Your Boat, Gently Across the Pacific! - Heather Taylor

It's the year 2100. How would SAS inspired tactics fight the Zombie Apocalypse? Mick Neven is 120 years old but still a comedic legend. He loves a good apocalypse and has a comedy show to prove it! Zombies are descending. What's YOUR life choice!?!?   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) <ul><li>0:30. The Situation in the year 2100</li> <li>5:05. Welcome Mick Neven – Genius Mind & 'What do you have'?</li> <li>7:20. When running from the tiger when do you rest?</li> <li>8:30. From your childhood what do you bring?</li> <li>9:00. Ben and Tim’s biological relationship</li> <li>09:30. Mark Wales .... from Survivor....  Sux!</li> <li>12:20. Ben and Tim’s early story</li> <li>14:00. Talking SAS Selection</li> <li>20:15. Would you have ‘them’ in your workforce?</li> <li>22:15. Why Mick is in elite company!</li> <li>24:25. How Comedians are funny- from Mick (not Ben and Tim!).</li> <li>31:00. Australian v UK Comedy demand.</li> <li>42:00. Ben wants high tech stuff in the Zombie Apocalypse!</li> <li>44:30. Plans and the Zombies! Mick is sceptical!</li> <li>47:45. Mick’s skills are critical!!!!</li> <li>52:00. Mick thinks Ben and Tim can’t unite anyone!</li> <li>52:40. Cray fisherman</li> <li>56:45. What skills do we need in the apocalypse?</li> <li>58:00. Obstacle Planning</li> <li>1:04:00 Park runners we need you!!!</li> <li>1:05:30 Tim’s obstacle plan- “The Molasses Pit”</li> <li>1:06:00 How to kill with combine harvesters.,</li> <li>1:08:30 Tim takes a selfie on the edge of - “The Molasses Pit”. Doesn’t end well.</li> <li>1:11:30 Designing a “The Molasses Pit”.</li> <li>1:12:00 Farewells and pleasantries!</li> </ul>  Music. NEW Music from The Externals in this Episode. Music from The Externals is available on Spotify.   More  <a href="http://www.unforgiving.com">www.unforgiving60.com</a> Contact Us <a href="mailto:debrief@unforgiving60.com">debrief@unforgiving60.com</a>

It's the year 2100. How would SAS inspired tactics fight the Zombie Apocalypse? Mick Neven is 120 years old but still a comedic legend. He loves a good apocalypse and has a comedy show to prove it! Zombies are descending. What's YOUR life choice!?!?   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) 0:30. The Situation in the year 2100 5:05. Welcome Mick Neven – Genius Mind & 'What do you have'? 7:20. When running from the tiger when do you rest? 8:30. From your childhood what do you bring? 9:00. Ben and Tim’s biological relationship 09:30. Mark Wales .... from Survivor....  Sux! 12:20. Ben and Tim’s early story 14:00. Talking SAS Selection 20:15. Would you have ‘them’ in your workforce? 22:15. Why Mick is in elite company! 24:25. How Comedians are funny- from Mick (not Ben and Tim!). 31:00. Australian v UK Comedy demand. 42:00. Ben wants high tech stuff in the Zombie Apocalypse! 44:30. Plans and the Zombies! Mick is sceptical! 47:45. Mick’s skills are critical!!!! 52:00. Mick thinks Ben and Tim can’t unite anyone! 52:40. Cray fisherman 56:45. What skills do we need in the apocalypse? 58:00. Obstacle Planning 1:04:00 Park runners we need you!!! 1:05:30 Tim’s obstacle plan- “The Molasses Pit” 1:06:00 How to kill with combine harvesters., 1:08:30 Tim takes a selfie on the edge of - “The Molasses Pit”. Doesn’t end well. 1:11:30 Designing a “The Molasses Pit”. 1:12:00 Farewells and pleasantries!   Music. NEW Music from The Externals in this Episode. Music from The Externals is available on Spotify.   More  www.unforgiving60.com Contact Us debrief@unforgiving60.com 

S2E1- SAS Tactics to Fight the Apocalypse - with Mick Neven from the Apocalypse Comedy Podcast

It's the anniversary of Season 1 and the finale to boot.... and we didn't ever think we would come this far with this (any!?) trajectory. We reflect on the Heard Island episode. Then the last 12 months- Just once over lightly! And then.... Ben gets his Performance Appraisal Report as a co-host. Finally..... find out how you can be involved with us as part of our 'Ambassadors and Allies' Programs. Ciao to Season 1! We loved every minute .....  thanks for joining us on this crazy ride.   Contact Us: <a href="mailto:debrief@unforgiving60.com">debrief@unforgiving60.com</a> <a href="http://www.unforgiving60.com">www.unforgiving60.com</a>   Music: As always by The Externals..... find them on Spotify ** While you are there check out the Unforgiving60 playlist on Spotify!

It's the anniversary of Season 1 and the finale to boot.... and we didn't ever think we would come this far with this (any!?) trajectory. We reflect on the Heard Island episode. Then the last 12 months- Just once over lightly! And then.... Ben gets his Performance Appraisal Report as a co-host. Finally..... find out how you can be involved with us as part of our 'Ambassadors and Allies' Programs. Ciao to Season 1! We loved every minute .....  thanks for joining us on this crazy ride.   Contact Us: debrief@unforgiving60.com www.unforgiving60.com   Music: As always by The Externals..... find them on Spotify ** While you are there check out the Unforgiving60 playlist on Spotify!  

@RV14 - The Season 1 Finale! On Heard Island & the last 12 months, the co-host's Performance Appraisal Report & Season 2 planning

20 years ago, a team of four Australian SAS guys, attempted to be the third climbing party ever to summit Mawson’s Peak, otherwise known as Big Ben - Australia’s only active volcano on the sub Antarctic Heard Island- 3,500 south-west of Australia. 20 years later we got the climbing party back together to make this episode. Stu and Matt are still serving SAS officers and Robb Clifton is now in a senior role at Australian Antarctic Division. In 1998-99, the SAS had supported anti-poaching activities in the Southern Ocean. As a result, Austral Fisheries were sympathetic to taking an SAS team south to Heard Island.  The team put ashore at Atlas Cove on the 1st of January 2000 after nearly a month at sea on the 88 metre Fishing Trawler, SOUTHERN CHAMPION. The team worked in the Ship’s fish factory through the incredibly challenging Southern Ocean. On the very first night at Heard Island the team realised how difficult this was going to be …. And it only got worse! They got a lot of things terribly wrong. And Mother Nature was never going to be helpful. But sometimes fate does (and will) smile. It’s a great story of adventure. Facing challenges and accepting fate. Homicidal desires to summit but the need to calculate the risks. And of course, the indefatigable and enduring nature of mateship.   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) <ul><li>3:50   The Team</li> <li>5:15   About Heard Island</li> <li>8:30   What is at Heard Island</li> <li>11:15  The mad idea to climb an active volcano on a sub-Antarctic Island!?</li> <li>13:00  How do you get there?</li> <li>14:10  How did the voyage start…. of course, with logistics challenges!</li> <li>15:45  The voyage south! Working for passage!</li> <li>18:15  Into the Southern Ocean</li> <li>20:45  SAS Water Operators and sea sickness!</li> <li>21:30  Patagonian toothfish</li> <li>24:30  Fishing in the Southern Ocean</li> <li>25:45  The morning of departure to Heard Island</li> <li>29:05  Environmental guidelines and restrictions</li> <li>30:40  Night 1 and the first BIG problem</li> <li>32:15  Naively selecting the worst route up the mountain</li> <li>33:15  Let’s get climbing….</li> <li>39:00  Even more difficulties above Camp 1</li> <li>40:19  The homicidal nature of climbing…. And even more problems.</li> <li>42:00  ‘The most vivid moments are the hard bits’.</li> <li>42:50  Failed summit attempt …. And facing (accepting) death</li> <li>45:00  It just gets worse. No food, fuel or water, two broken tents and only three sleeping bags.</li> <li>47:20  Summit Day</li> <li>50:45  Summit reflections- Robb and Matt</li> <li>55:00  The day after</li> <li>58:55  Reflections - 20 years ago about the Heard Island Expedition</li> </ul>   More About Heard Island <a href="http://heardisland.antarctica.gov.au/about">http://heardisland.antarctica.gov.au/about</a>     More About Fishing in the Southern Ocean <a href="https://www.australfisheries.com.au/fishing-operations/southern-ocean">https://www.australfisheries.com.au/fishing-operations/southern-ocean</a>     Music As always music by The Externals. Hear more of The Externals on Spotify.     Contact Us <a href="mailto:debrief@unforgiving60.com">debrief@unforgiving60.com</a> <a href="http://www.unforgiving60.com/">www.unforgiving60.com</a> Also check out the Unforgiving60 playlist on Spotify. A collection of our guests 'power songs' : <a href="https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7cjO1k0evBeP2nFxX83Akp?si=n6dyi9h1Tamsqc7TAVNmjg">https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7cjO1k0evBeP2nFxX83Akp?si=n6dyi9h1Tamsqc7TAVNmjg</a>

20 years ago, a team of four Australian SAS guys, attempted to be the third climbing party ever to summit Mawson’s Peak, otherwise known as Big Ben - Australia’s only active volcano on the sub Antarctic Heard Island- 3,500 south-west of Australia. 20 years later we got the climbing party back together to make this episode. Stu and Matt are still serving SAS officers and Robb Clifton is now in a senior role at Australian Antarctic Division. In 1998-99, the SAS had supported anti-poaching activities in the Southern Ocean. As a result, Austral Fisheries were sympathetic to taking an SAS team south to Heard Island.  The team put ashore at Atlas Cove on the 1st of January 2000 after nearly a month at sea on the 88 metre Fishing Trawler, SOUTHERN CHAMPION. The team worked in the Ship’s fish factory through the incredibly challenging Southern Ocean. On the very first night at Heard Island the team realised how difficult this was going to be …. And it only got worse! They got a lot of things terribly wrong. And Mother Nature was never going to be helpful. But sometimes fate does (and will) smile. It’s a great story of adventure. Facing challenges and accepting fate. Homicidal desires to summit but the need to calculate the risks. And of course, the indefatigable and enduring nature of mateship.   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) 3:50   The Team 5:15   About Heard Island 8:30   What is at Heard Island 11:15  The mad idea to climb an active volcano on a sub-Antarctic Island!? 13:00  How do you get there? 14:10  How did the voyage start…. of course, with logistics challenges! 15:45  The voyage south! Working for passage! 18:15  Into the Southern Ocean 20:45  SAS Water Operators and sea sickness! 21:30  Patagonian toothfish 24:30  Fishing in the Southern Ocean 25:45  The morning of departure to Heard Island 29:05  Environmental guidelines and restrictions 30:40  Night 1 and the first BIG problem 32:15  Naively selecting the worst route up the mountain 33:15  Let’s get climbing…. 39:00  Even more difficulties above Camp 1 40:19  The homicidal nature of climbing…. And even more problems. 42:00  ‘The most vivid moments are the hard bits’. 42:50  Failed summit attempt …. And facing (accepting) death 45:00  It just gets worse. No food, fuel or water, two broken tents and only three sleeping bags. 47:20  Summit Day 50:45  Summit reflections- Robb and Matt 55:00  The day after 58:55  Reflections - 20 years ago about the Heard Island Expedition    More About Heard Island http://heardisland.antarctica.gov.au/about     More About Fishing in the Southern Ocean https://www.australfisheries.com.au/fishing-operations/southern-ocean     Music As always music by The Externals. Hear more of The Externals on Spotify.     Contact Us debrief@unforgiving60.com www.unforgiving60.com Also check out the Unforgiving60 playlist on Spotify. A collection of our guests 'power songs' : https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7cjO1k0evBeP2nFxX83Akp?si=n6dyi9h1Tamsqc7TAVNmjg

S1E34- Climbing Active Volcanos in the Sub Antarctic - A Unique SAS Mission

Welcome to RV13. We dissect our episodes with the young whippersnapper Jimmy McKeown- Australian Master Distiller of the Year, trail running with Melina Mellino and passion & poetry with Chris Huet. We also talk Ben’s work of art in the Australian War Memorial. Listener feedback is in here too. And some wider Season 2 announcements for 2020. And we finish off with our suggested reading list.  Pick up a book and do some reading!    INTSUM 1:30     Jimmy McKeown. Australian Master Distiller of the Year. Modesty and humilty 3:00     Genesis of the Whippersnapper logo 3:50     Differentiation 7:50     Melina Mellino …. And about being the energy in the room 11:00   Silent Sundays 13:05   Toe shoes, lycra, Lululemon, singlet, visors and covering up 14:40   Chris Huet, precision and passion….. through poetry 17:50   Strength in words 19:00   Is poetry for me? 20:50   Southern Comfort in Woolsheds 23:10   Ben’s challenge to Tim for 2020 23:46   About a challenge and grinding away 25:48   Ben’s Highly Commended Artwork in the Australian War Memorial…. We talk about where it is and how it came about 28:10   What inspired Ben’s painting in the War Memorial 30:02   The Unforgiving60 Playlist! How did it come about? 32:25   Listener feedback and comments      34:33   Feedback on ‘Piss taking’ 35:40   Questions from Zagreb, Croatia. And someone is indeed reading the show notes! 37:20   A note from Wandering Distillery 37:47   Feedback from Kirsty. A request to discuss our favourite books. 38:50   The start of Ben and Tim’s Recommended Reading List……   MORE  <a href="http://www.unforgiving60.com/">www.unforgiving60.com</a> email: <a href="mailto:debrief@unforgiving60.com">debrief@unforgiving60.com</a>     MUSIC Music as always by The Externals. Find out more about The Externals on Spotify   PLAYLIST The Unforgiving60 Playlist also available for free on Spotify. A collection of power songs: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7cjO1k0evBeP2nFxX83Akp?si=Ths0BS7mTaqAsEBXSxVzzg">https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7cjO1k0evBeP2nFxX83Akp?si=Ths0BS7mTaqAsEBXSxVzzg</a>

Welcome to RV13. We dissect our episodes with the young whippersnapper Jimmy McKeown- Australian Master Distiller of the Year, trail running with Melina Mellino and passion & poetry with Chris Huet. We also talk Ben’s work of art in the Australian War Memorial. Listener feedback is in here too. And some wider Season 2 announcements for 2020. And we finish off with our suggested reading list.  Pick up a book and do some reading!    INTSUM 1:30     Jimmy McKeown. Australian Master Distiller of the Year. Modesty and humilty 3:00     Genesis of the Whippersnapper logo 3:50     Differentiation 7:50     Melina Mellino …. And about being the energy in the room 11:00   Silent Sundays 13:05   Toe shoes, lycra, Lululemon, singlet, visors and covering up 14:40   Chris Huet, precision and passion….. through poetry 17:50   Strength in words 19:00   Is poetry for me? 20:50   Southern Comfort in Woolsheds 23:10   Ben’s challenge to Tim for 2020 23:46   About a challenge and grinding away 25:48   Ben’s Highly Commended Artwork in the Australian War Memorial…. We talk about where it is and how it came about 28:10   What inspired Ben’s painting in the War Memorial 30:02   The Unforgiving60 Playlist! How did it come about? 32:25   Listener feedback and comments      34:33   Feedback on ‘Piss taking’ 35:40   Questions from Zagreb, Croatia. And someone is indeed reading the show notes! 37:20   A note from Wandering Distillery 37:47   Feedback from Kirsty. A request to discuss our favourite books. 38:50   The start of Ben and Tim’s Recommended Reading List……   MORE  www.unforgiving60.com email: debrief@unforgiving60.com     MUSIC Music as always by The Externals. Find out more about The Externals on Spotify   PLAYLIST The Unforgiving60 Playlist also available for free on Spotify. A collection of power songs: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7cjO1k0evBeP2nFxX83Akp?si=Ths0BS7mTaqAsEBXSxVzzg            

@RV13- On Jimmy McKeown, Melina Mellino, Chris Huet and our Recommended Reading List

Chris Huet flew fighter jets with precision and now speaks with passion! He is an award winning, national poetry champion and communications coach, who also applies the principles drawn from his flying fast jets. Chris's Air Force career started with a Bachelor of Arts at the Australian Defence Force Academy before graduating to being a Hornet pilot. In a near-20-year career with the RAAF, Chris ultimately led the fighter training school with a staff of 200 personnel as well as 14 F/A-18 Hornet jets. Chris had always written poetry. He realised that communicating was his passion. And that his poetry was a key vehicle for communications, and it has plenty of transferrable components.  Enter CJ Bowerbird. Chris's 'nom de plume'. Chris was the Australian champion of the Australian Poetry Slam. CJ Bowerbird loves to challenge our emotions- to make us feel! To just feel something! In 2018, Chris released Beyond This Blue, a recording of the show he wrote and performed with the Downfall Choir for the 2017 National Folk Festival. This interview left Ben and Tim grinning from ear to ear- just listen to the poem about the billy cart! **** Tim then was on a flight.... and he wrote this to Chris: **** "Chris, A big thanks for yesterday. We had a quick listen to the audio and we think that it will be very special. Thanks for sharing. Indeed, more than that for me. Thanks for inspiring. On full charge from CJ Bowerbird, last nights whisky and today’s Eckhart Tolle.... I put pen to paper in flight and wrote for the first time in years. <div>It made me feel again.</div> <div> </div> <div> <div dir="ltr">Regards, Tim ".</div> <div dir="ltr"> </div> <div dir="ltr">***</div> <div dir="ltr"> </div> <div dir="ltr">Intelligence Summary (INTSUM)</div> <div dir="ltr"> </div> <div dir="ltr">3:30 Just listen to this.... just LISTEN.</div> <div dir="ltr">6:00 The poem, the poet, the pilot and the person</div> <div dir="ltr">14:38 What is poetry?</div> <div dir="ltr">19:00 Poetry and flying fighters</div> <div dir="ltr">22:10 Is there anything Chris has written and never shared?</div> <div dir="ltr">25:35 About 'Clicktivism'- to be passionate v to be 'showful'</div> <div dir="ltr">28:15 Who is CJ Bowerbird?</div> <div dir="ltr">30:45 'Performance'- Is it a lost or dying art?</div> <div dir="ltr">38:45 Stage craft..... how much work goes into the 'theatre' of poetry</div> <div dir="ltr">42:10 CJ Bowerbird on TedX</div> <div dir="ltr">44:30 Ambush Poetry?!</div> <div dir="ltr">46:50 Authenticity- the tension between yourself and expectations. Playing the role...</div> <div dir="ltr">49:30 Ben on his art and authenticity.... how hard it was for Ben to be an artist in the SAS</div> <div dir="ltr">50:50 On Daydreaming... and beyond</div> <div dir="ltr">56:15 To rhyme or not to rhyme .... that is the question! (?)</div> <div dir="ltr">59:00 What about making up words?</div> <div dir="ltr">1:01:50 Can you learn poetry?</div> <div dir="ltr">1:02:10 Does Chris even write drunk? (How and why Ben does art drunk).</div> <div dir="ltr">1:05:50 How kids (teenagers) can learn (to love) poetry. Song lyrics as poetry?</div> <div dir="ltr">1:09:20 Poetry collides with Music: CJ Bowerbird and the Downfall Choir</div> <div dir="ltr">1:16:40 Quick Questions/ Quick Answers.</div> <div dir="ltr">1:22:35 A snippet of 'I am the poem'.</div> <div dir="ltr"> </div> <div dir="ltr"> </div> <div dir="ltr"> </div> <div dir="ltr">More About Chris Huet and CJ Bowerbird</div> <div dir="ltr"> </div> <div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.understood.net.au/aboutchris">https://www.understood.net.au/aboutchris</a></div> <div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.cjbowerbird.com.au">https://www.cjbowerbird.com.au</a></div> <div dir="ltr"> </div> <div dir="ltr">Clicktivism: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU-_gzFbkWs">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU-_gzFbkWs</a></div> <div dir="ltr">I am the Poem: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax1wXDXkILA">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax1wXDXkILA</a></div> <div dir="ltr"> </div> <div dir="ltr"> </div> <div dir="ltr"> <div class="txtNew"> <h3 class="font_7">CJ Bowerbird & the Downfall Choir: <a href="https://store.cdbaby.com/cd/cjbowerbird">https://store.cdbaby.com/cd/cjbowerbird</a></h3>   Music As always from The Externals .... available on spotify   More about the Unforgiving60 Podcast <a href="http://www.unforgiving60.com">w</a><a href="http://www.unforgiving60.com">ww.unforgiving60.c</a><a href="http://www.unforgiving60.com">om</a> <a href="mailto:debrief@unforgiving60.com">debrief@unforgiving60.com</a> Unforgiving60 Playlist (songs from our guests): <a href="https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7cjO1k0evBeP2nFxX83Akp?si=9m8a9K9kSEOg7typYrIq8g">https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7cjO1k0evBeP2nFxX83Akp?si=9m8a9K9kSEOg7typYrIq8g</a>     </div> <div class="style-jnz8for81"> </div> </div> </div>

Chris Huet flew fighter jets with precision and now speaks with passion! He is an award winning, national poetry champion and communications coach, who also applies the principles drawn from his flying fast jets. Chris's Air Force career started with a Bachelor of Arts at the Australian Defence Force Academy before graduating to being a Hornet pilot. In a near-20-year career with the RAAF, Chris ultimately led the fighter training school with a staff of 200 personnel as well as 14 F/A-18 Hornet jets. Chris had always written poetry. He realised that communicating was his passion. And that his poetry was a key vehicle for communications, and it has plenty of transferrable components.  Enter CJ Bowerbird. Chris's 'nom de plume'. Chris was the Australian champion of the Australian Poetry Slam. CJ Bowerbird loves to challenge our emotions- to make us feel! To just feel something! In 2018, Chris released Beyond This Blue, a recording of the show he wrote and performed with the Downfall Choir for the 2017 National Folk Festival. This interview left Ben and Tim grinning from ear to ear- just listen to the poem about the billy cart! **** Tim then was on a flight.... and he wrote this to Chris: **** "Chris, A big thanks for yesterday. We had a quick listen to the audio and we think that it will be very special. Thanks for sharing. Indeed, more than that for me. Thanks for inspiring. On full charge from CJ Bowerbird, last nights whisky and today’s Eckhart Tolle.... I put pen to paper in flight and wrote for the first time in years. It made me feel again.   Regards, Tim ".   ***   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM)   3:30 Just listen to this.... just LISTEN. 6:00 The poem, the poet, the pilot and the person 14:38 What is poetry? 19:00 Poetry and flying fighters 22:10 Is there anything Chris has written and never shared? 25:35 About 'Clicktivism'- to be passionate v to be 'showful' 28:15 Who is CJ Bowerbird? 30:45 'Performance'- Is it a lost or dying art? 38:45 Stage craft..... how much work goes into the 'theatre' of poetry 42:10 CJ Bowerbird on TedX 44:30 Ambush Poetry?! 46:50 Authenticity- the tension between yourself and expectations. Playing the role... 49:30 Ben on his art and authenticity.... how hard it was for Ben to be an artist in the SAS 50:50 On Daydreaming... and beyond 56:15 To rhyme or not to rhyme .... that is the question! (?) 59:00 What about making up words? 1:01:50 Can you learn poetry? 1:02:10 Does Chris even write drunk? (How and why Ben does art drunk). 1:05:50 How kids (teenagers) can learn (to love) poetry. Song lyrics as poetry? 1:09:20 Poetry collides with Music: CJ Bowerbird and the Downfall Choir 1:16:40 Quick Questions/ Quick Answers. 1:22:35 A snippet of 'I am the poem'.       More About Chris Huet and CJ Bowerbird   https://www.understood.net.au/aboutchris https://www.cjbowerbird.com.au   Clicktivism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU-_gzFbkWs I am the Poem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax1wXDXkILA     CJ Bowerbird & the Downfall Choir: https://store.cdbaby.com/cd/cjbowerbird   Music As always from The Externals .... available on spotify   More about the Unforgiving60 Podcast www.unforgiving60.com debrief@unforgiving60.com Unforgiving60 Playlist (songs from our guests): https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7cjO1k0evBeP2nFxX83Akp?si=9m8a9K9kSEOg7typYrIq8g          

S1E33- Chris Huet- The Precision of a Fighter Pilot and the Passion of a Poet

This episode is just great fun! Melina Mellino is a former United States Airforce Computer Systems Operator: But she knows nothing about computers! Melina claims it was good sales work by the US Military that got her into the Airforce. So good that instead of 4 years she signed up for 6 years of ‘adventure’! Melina served in Afghanistan, including driving trucks and tactical vehicles as her secondary task. After Afghanistan she served in Turkey, where Melina reflected that people’s problems with internet connections were in stark contrast to people problems in Afghanistan. Melina left the military after Turkey and went to ‘just hang out’…. back in Afghanistan. Melina then got the lure of Australia to study natural medicine. But she needed a laptop!? Who would have thought!? And that clearly didn’t last! Trail running has always been her passion and we talk- lycra, headbands, shoes, nature and the community of trail runners. And we talk power songs! Melina now owns and runs the Perth Trail Series where she encourages people to get out there, run, have fun and just 'woohoo'!    Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) <ul><li>02:55 How it all started</li> <li>04:00 How the military sucks fun out of fun activities</li> <li>05:50 On flying</li> <li>08:30 Why we yelled at communications experts</li> <li>09:45 In Afghanistan. Endearing thoughts. Running convoys from Bagram Air Base to Mazar e Sharif</li> <li>13:00 In Turkey</li> <li>16:00 Hanging out… back in Afghanistan</li> <li>19:15 Into Australia. Chase the sun</li> <li>19:55 Studying Natural Medicine</li> <li>21:35 Fact check Australia’s coastline length</li> <li>27:50 Trail running as a vocation</li> <li>28:30 Zoolander struts into the conversation (Ben!)</li> <li>31:45 What is trail running?</li> <li>36:35 Ben’s mountain running and bathrooms</li> <li>44:10 Is it a competition?</li> <li>49:01 How Melina describes her leadership style</li> <li>55:55 Power Songs!  Melina, Tim and Ben’s power songs</li> <li>01:01:00 Lycra</li> <li>XX:YY:ZZ  Is no one still reading the show notes?</li> <li>01:02:15 Tee Shirt or Singlet?</li> <li>01:02:40 What prose/ poetry inspires Melina</li> <li>01:03:10 Tim reads Edward Abbey</li> </ul>   “May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view.”  ― Edward Abbey    About Perth Trail Series  <a href="http://www.perthtrailseries.com.au/">http://www.perthtrailseries.com.au</a>    Music As always….  by the Externals. Find more Externals music on Spotify   Contact Us <a href="mailto:debrief@unforgiving60.com">debrief@unforgiving60.com</a> <a href="http://www.unforgiving60.com/">www.unforgiving60.com</a>

This episode is just great fun! Melina Mellino is a former United States Airforce Computer Systems Operator: But she knows nothing about computers! Melina claims it was good sales work by the US Military that got her into the Airforce. So good that instead of 4 years she signed up for 6 years of ‘adventure’! Melina served in Afghanistan, including driving trucks and tactical vehicles as her secondary task. After Afghanistan she served in Turkey, where Melina reflected that people’s problems with internet connections were in stark contrast to people problems in Afghanistan. Melina left the military after Turkey and went to ‘just hang out’…. back in Afghanistan. Melina then got the lure of Australia to study natural medicine. But she needed a laptop!? Who would have thought!? And that clearly didn’t last! Trail running has always been her passion and we talk- lycra, headbands, shoes, nature and the community of trail runners. And we talk power songs! Melina now owns and runs the Perth Trail Series where she encourages people to get out there, run, have fun and just 'woohoo'!    Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) 02:55 How it all started 04:00 How the military sucks fun out of fun activities 05:50 On flying 08:30 Why we yelled at communications experts 09:45 In Afghanistan. Endearing thoughts. Running convoys from Bagram Air Base to Mazar e Sharif 13:00 In Turkey 16:00 Hanging out… back in Afghanistan 19:15 Into Australia. Chase the sun 19:55 Studying Natural Medicine 21:35 Fact check Australia’s coastline length 27:50 Trail running as a vocation 28:30 Zoolander struts into the conversation (Ben!) 31:45 What is trail running? 36:35 Ben’s mountain running and bathrooms 44:10 Is it a competition? 49:01 How Melina describes her leadership style 55:55 Power Songs!  Melina, Tim and Ben’s power songs 01:01:00 Lycra XX:YY:ZZ  Is no one still reading the show notes? 01:02:15 Tee Shirt or Singlet? 01:02:40 What prose/ poetry inspires Melina 01:03:10 Tim reads Edward Abbey    “May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view.” ― Edward Abbey    About Perth Trail Series  http://www.perthtrailseries.com.au    Music As always….  by the Externals. Find more Externals music on Spotify   Contact Us debrief@unforgiving60.com www.unforgiving60.com  

S1E32- Go Run Trails! Melina Mellino on trail running and embracing fun, nature & life

Tim and Ben like jobs where you can drink at work.  This week they get to do just that during their interview with Jimmy McKeown in the ‘Black Room’ of Whipper Snapper Distillery.  Whipper Snapper is fast becoming a well-known brand amongst whiskey lovers and the go-to drink for many, and in this episode, Jimmy talks us through its amazing origins – and his equally amazing personal story.  From an illegal moonshine still run by a World War II bomber pilot to being recognised as a certified ‘Icon of Whiskey’, the Whipper Snapper story is a cracker. Jimmy discusses his attitude towards risk and regret, both of which served as catalytic elements in starting the distillery, before taking us through the ingredients and distilling process.  He then talks about their range of spirits, from their flagship 'Upshot' to more experimental lines including quinoa whiskey, the soon-to-be released red corn whiskey and – of course – their 'Crazy Uncle Moonshine'. If you don't know who your crazy uncle is ... then it's you! Tellingly, one thing that Jimmy doesn’t talk about is the fact that he had – just the week prior to the interview – been named as Master Distiller of the Year in the Icons of Whisky 2020 Australian awards. Truly humble, a truly great bloke and a truly tasty drop of whiskey – enjoy!   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) <ul><li>02:00 – Jimmy’s early years</li> <li>06:45 – Vic’s story – Lancaster bombers and illegal moonshine</li> <li>09:15 – Ben makes up some statistics about WWII Bomber Command attrition rates</li> <li>10:25 – Jimmy on risk and avoiding regret</li> <li>13:45 – What is an Australian whiskey? Jimmy talks grain and flavour profiles and the dream of making an Australian whiskey at scale</li> <li>16:30 – “Full disclosure”</li> <li>17:10- On the ‘microfactors’ that help make Whipper Snapper different to mass produced whiskey</li> <li>18:30 – What goes into Whipper Snapper’s whiskey?</li> <li>21:20 – Red Corn whiskey (coming soon!) – a crazy idea which highlights Whipper Snapper’s close relationship with its grain growers</li> <li>XX:XX - Does anyone actually read the timeline in the Show Notes?!</li> <li>23:20 – How to make whiskey</li> <li>33:20 – The story behind the Whipper Snapper’s logo – and its name!</li> <li>39:40 – Quinoa whiskey – superfood!</li> <li>45:10 – The whiskey environment in Australia</li> <li>51:20- Signature Whipper Snapper cocktails</li> <li>53:50 – Marketing Whipper Snapper</li> <li>56:30- The Special Operations relationship</li> <li>1:02:00- How many stories could be tyold over a glass of Upshot</li> <li>1:03:00:– Quick Questions / Quick Answers!</li> <li>1:08:00- Jimmy’s favourite quote: From CS Lewis.</li> <li>1:09:23 – Jimmy’s toast to the entire world!</li> </ul>  About Whipper Snapper <a href="https://whippersnapperdistillery.com/">https://whippersnapperdistillery.com/</a>   Music As always music by The Externals. Hear more of The Externals on Spotify.

Tim and Ben like jobs where you can drink at work.  This week they get to do just that during their interview with Jimmy McKeown in the ‘Black Room’ of Whipper Snapper Distillery.  Whipper Snapper is fast becoming a well-known brand amongst whiskey lovers and the go-to drink for many, and in this episode, Jimmy talks us through its amazing origins – and his equally amazing personal story.  From an illegal moonshine still run by a World War II bomber pilot to being recognised as a certified ‘Icon of Whiskey’, the Whipper Snapper story is a cracker. Jimmy discusses his attitude towards risk and regret, both of which served as catalytic elements in starting the distillery, before taking us through the ingredients and distilling process.  He then talks about their range of spirits, from their flagship 'Upshot' to more experimental lines including quinoa whiskey, the soon-to-be released red corn whiskey and – of course – their 'Crazy Uncle Moonshine'. If you don't know who your crazy uncle is ... then it's you! Tellingly, one thing that Jimmy doesn’t talk about is the fact that he had – just the week prior to the interview – been named as Master Distiller of the Year in the Icons of Whisky 2020 Australian awards. Truly humble, a truly great bloke and a truly tasty drop of whiskey – enjoy!   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) 02:00 – Jimmy’s early years 06:45 – Vic’s story – Lancaster bombers and illegal moonshine 09:15 – Ben makes up some statistics about WWII Bomber Command attrition rates 10:25 – Jimmy on risk and avoiding regret 13:45 – What is an Australian whiskey? Jimmy talks grain and flavour profiles and the dream of making an Australian whiskey at scale 16:30 – “Full disclosure” 17:10- On the ‘microfactors’ that help make Whipper Snapper different to mass produced whiskey 18:30 – What goes into Whipper Snapper’s whiskey? 21:20 – Red Corn whiskey (coming soon!) – a crazy idea which highlights Whipper Snapper’s close relationship with its grain growers XX:XX - Does anyone actually read the timeline in the Show Notes?! 23:20 – How to make whiskey 33:20 – The story behind the Whipper Snapper’s logo – and its name! 39:40 – Quinoa whiskey – superfood! 45:10 – The whiskey environment in Australia 51:20- Signature Whipper Snapper cocktails 53:50 – Marketing Whipper Snapper 56:30- The Special Operations relationship 1:02:00- How many stories could be tyold over a glass of Upshot 1:03:00:– Quick Questions / Quick Answers! 1:08:00- Jimmy’s favourite quote: From CS Lewis. 1:09:23 – Jimmy’s toast to the entire world!   About Whipper Snapper https://whippersnapperdistillery.com/   Music As always music by The Externals. Hear more of The Externals on Spotify.

S1E31 – Jimmy McKeown- Master Distiller of the Year; The Young Whipper Snapper

Tim and Ben use this RV to cast their minds back over their recent chats with Richard Baker, Maxine Brown (for the ‘Returned and Services League’ (RSL)) and adventurer Alyssa Azar.  We then talk about Ben and Tim’s Everests. And that includes discussing poignant moments on SAS Selection and looking death in the face while climbing Mawson’s Peak, an active volcano, on the sub antarctic Heard Island. Shamelessly riding on the coat-tails of Richard’s much better podcast The Last Voyage of the Pong Su, the boys talk about what a pleasure it was to speak with him and to share their experiences, which is one small component of Richard’s cracking and far-reaching exploration into the incident. On ‘shades of grey’ and what is a ‘bad person’ and promoting reductionist views which means polarising views and opinions. Ben then struggles to explain what ‘RSL’ stands for as they recount their discussion on mateship in an interview with the RSL’s Maxine Brown.  When they eventually work it out, they talk a little bit more about the importance of mateship and maybe even displaying a little bit of vulnerability from time to time, and provide an insight into their stint as cover models for the RSL magazine. They finish the episode by talking about Everests – both literal and metaphorical.  Literal, in their discussion about the amazing chat with super-inspirational Australian mountaineer Alyssa Azar; and metaphorical, through describing their own individual ‘Everests’.  We hope you enjoy this RV and it in some small way, that it helps you go ‘a little further’ in filling your own Unforgiving60s.  <a href="http://www.unforgiving60.com/">www.unforgiving60.com</a>  Get in touch with us at <a href="mailto:debrief@unforgiving60.com">debrief@unforgiving60.com</a> Music from the original SAS Band, The Externals..... check them out on Spotify!!

Tim and Ben use this RV to cast their minds back over their recent chats with Richard Baker, Maxine Brown (for the ‘Returned and Services League’ (RSL)) and adventurer Alyssa Azar.  We then talk about Ben and Tim’s Everests. And that includes discussing poignant moments on SAS Selection and looking death in the face while climbing Mawson’s Peak, an active volcano, on the sub antarctic Heard Island. Shamelessly riding on the coat-tails of Richard’s much better podcast The Last Voyage of the Pong Su, the boys talk about what a pleasure it was to speak with him and to share their experiences, which is one small component of Richard’s cracking and far-reaching exploration into the incident. On ‘shades of grey’ and what is a ‘bad person’ and promoting reductionist views which means polarising views and opinions. Ben then struggles to explain what ‘RSL’ stands for as they recount their discussion on mateship in an interview with the RSL’s Maxine Brown.  When they eventually work it out, they talk a little bit more about the importance of mateship and maybe even displaying a little bit of vulnerability from time to time, and provide an insight into their stint as cover models for the RSL magazine. They finish the episode by talking about Everests – both literal and metaphorical.  Literal, in their discussion about the amazing chat with super-inspirational Australian mountaineer Alyssa Azar; and metaphorical, through describing their own individual ‘Everests’.  We hope you enjoy this RV and it in some small way, that it helps you go ‘a little further’ in filling your own Unforgiving60s.  www.unforgiving60.com  Get in touch with us at debrief@unforgiving60.com Music from the original SAS Band, The Externals..... check them out on Spotify!!   

@RV12- On Richard Baker, RSL, Alyssa Azar, SAS Selection as an Everest and Climbing Active Volcanos

Despite Alyssa first summiting Everest at 19 years old, this is much more than a climbing story. It is a story of setbacks and challenges, tenacity and toughness and staring down death; but most importantly why you don’t ever give up on your dreams. ‘Control what I can control and accept everything else’- Alyssa Alyssa is the youngest Australian to Summit Mt Everest. She did this at 19 years old on the 21st May 2016. Not being content with that, two years later Alyssa also became the youngest woman to summit Mt Everest from the North Side (Tibet) at just 21 years old. Her story began early. She walked the challenging Kokoda Track in Papua New Guinea at the age of 8. By 10 years old, she had climbed ‘the Aussie 10’ (the 10 highest peaks in Australia). At 14 she climbed Mt Kilimanjaro. And she has never looked back…. Or down!   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) <ul><li>03:00. How it all began</li> <li>05:03. Things in common- Alyssa, Ben and Tim</li> <li>06:04. Alyssa’s unconventional schooling</li> <li>07:11. No crying in boxing!</li> <li>11:30. Why Alyssa took a photo of her brother to the summit of Everest</li> <li>12:15. Alyssa on ex SAS soldier and author Keith Fennell.</li> <li>13:40. Ben on ‘Fenno’ and similarities with Alyssa</li> <li>14:50. Keith Fennell talks about Alyssa</li> <li>21:15 Final climb before Everest</li> <li>22:10 First setback- Everest 2014 at age 17</li> <li>25:13. Second setback- Everest 2015 at age 18. Near death experience</li> <li>30:08. Building resilience through these setbacks</li> <li>33:00. Third attempt on Everest!</li> <li>34:40. Starting for the Summit. Avalanche! Toughest day on Everest</li> <li>36:55. At Camp 4. South Col. The summit push</li> <li>38:20. It all came down to this day (Summit Day)</li> <li>42:27. South Summit to Hillary’s Step …. and onto the Summit</li> <li>44:15. Time stands still…. The world at her feet</li> <li>46:30. Sponsors, pressure and expectation</li> <li>47:45. Arriving home!</li> <li>51:20. Going back! (to climb Everest again)</li> <li>01:01:20. Thoughts on ‘peak bagging’ Everest</li> <li>01:02:30. A past comment on Alyssa as being ‘very distant and unapproachable’</li> <li>01:03:10. Other interests…</li> <li>01:06:40. Quick Questions/ Quick Answers <ul><li>What are you scared of?</li> <li>What’s your favourite book? (Sorry Keith Fennell!)</li> <li>Who inspires you?</li> <li>What’s the best climbing movie ever made?</li> <li>How do you train?</li> <li>What’s your guilty pleasure?</li> <li>What do you watch on Netflix?</li> <li>What’s still left that interests you?</li> </ul></li> <li>01:10:28. Final Comment from Alyssa</li> </ul>  More about Alyssa Azar <a href="https://www.alyssaazar.com.au/">https://www.alyssaazar.com.au</a> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/AlyssaAzarAdventurer/">https://www.facebook.com/AlyssaAzarAdventurer/</a>   Alyssa’s Book- The Girl Who Climbed Everest:  <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/32178778-the-girl-who-climbed-everest">https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/32178778-the-girl-who-climbed-everest</a>   More about Keith Fennell, ex SAS Soldier and Author <a href="https://www.penguin.com.au/authors/keith-fennell">https://www.penguin.com.au/authors/keith-fennell</a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2127g8baC8">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2127g8baC8</a>     Music As always from the original SAS band, ‘The Externals’ Find The Externals on Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/artist/0bzIKc5TQaJ0DxuVhoCmg0?si=6Nmt5VTLRdeNnTzYash8gQ">https://open.spotify.com/artist/0bzIKc5TQaJ0DxuVhoCmg0?si=6Nmt5VTLRdeNnTzYash8gQ</a>

Despite Alyssa first summiting Everest at 19 years old, this is much more than a climbing story. It is a story of setbacks and challenges, tenacity and toughness and staring down death; but most importantly why you don’t ever give up on your dreams. ‘Control what I can control and accept everything else’- Alyssa Alyssa is the youngest Australian to Summit Mt Everest. She did this at 19 years old on the 21st May 2016. Not being content with that, two years later Alyssa also became the youngest woman to summit Mt Everest from the North Side (Tibet) at just 21 years old. Her story began early. She walked the challenging Kokoda Track in Papua New Guinea at the age of 8. By 10 years old, she had climbed ‘the Aussie 10’ (the 10 highest peaks in Australia). At 14 she climbed Mt Kilimanjaro. And she has never looked back…. Or down!   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) 03:00. How it all began 05:03. Things in common- Alyssa, Ben and Tim 06:04. Alyssa’s unconventional schooling 07:11. No crying in boxing! 11:30. Why Alyssa took a photo of her brother to the summit of Everest 12:15. Alyssa on ex SAS soldier and author Keith Fennell. 13:40. Ben on ‘Fenno’ and similarities with Alyssa 14:50. Keith Fennell talks about Alyssa 21:15 Final climb before Everest 22:10 First setback- Everest 2014 at age 17 25:13. Second setback- Everest 2015 at age 18. Near death experience 30:08. Building resilience through these setbacks 33:00. Third attempt on Everest! 34:40. Starting for the Summit. Avalanche! Toughest day on Everest 36:55. At Camp 4. South Col. The summit push 38:20. It all came down to this day (Summit Day) 42:27. South Summit to Hillary’s Step …. and onto the Summit 44:15. Time stands still…. The world at her feet 46:30. Sponsors, pressure and expectation 47:45. Arriving home! 51:20. Going back! (to climb Everest again) 01:01:20. Thoughts on ‘peak bagging’ Everest 01:02:30. A past comment on Alyssa as being ‘very distant and unapproachable’ 01:03:10. Other interests… 01:06:40. Quick Questions/ Quick Answers What are you scared of? What’s your favourite book? (Sorry Keith Fennell!) Who inspires you? What’s the best climbing movie ever made? How do you train? What’s your guilty pleasure? What do you watch on Netflix? What’s still left that interests you? 01:10:28. Final Comment from Alyssa   More about Alyssa Azar https://www.alyssaazar.com.au https://www.facebook.com/AlyssaAzarAdventurer/   Alyssa’s Book- The Girl Who Climbed Everest:  https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/32178778-the-girl-who-climbed-everest   More about Keith Fennell, ex SAS Soldier and Author https://www.penguin.com.au/authors/keith-fennell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2127g8baC8     Music As always from the original SAS band, ‘The Externals’ Find The Externals on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0bzIKc5TQaJ0DxuVhoCmg0?si=6Nmt5VTLRdeNnTzYash8gQ  

S1E30- Alyssa Azar- With the World at Her Feet. The youngest Australian to climb Everest

Ben said that they should never talk about this again. Plus this was never supposed to be a podcast. So....... More unauthorised audio! This starts as a interview on 'Mateship' by Maxine Brown from the Returned and Services League (RSL).... but then it takes some unexpected turns. Ben and Tim talk: <ul><li>'Mateship'</li> <li>Them Meeting</li> <li>Starting a business</li> <li>Risk taking</li> <li>Family</li> <li>That Napkin!</li> <li>The importance of silly hats</li> <li>Having difficult questions early</li> <li>When did you know 'he' was a mate?</li> <li>... And a very difficult question from Maxine: 'Can you describe each other in one sentence?'</li> </ul>  PS: No one should talk about this.... ever!   More About the RSL  <a href="http://rslnational.org">http://rslnational.org</a>  <a href="https://www.rslwa.org.au">https://www.rslwa.org.au</a>

Ben said that they should never talk about this again. Plus this was never supposed to be a podcast. So....... More unauthorised audio! This starts as a interview on 'Mateship' by Maxine Brown from the Returned and Services League (RSL).... but then it takes some unexpected turns. Ben and Tim talk: 'Mateship' Them Meeting Starting a business Risk taking Family That Napkin! The importance of silly hats Having difficult questions early When did you know 'he' was a mate? ... And a very difficult question from Maxine: 'Can you describe each other in one sentence?'   PS: No one should talk about this.... ever!   More About the RSL  http://rslnational.org  https://www.rslwa.org.au     

Special Episode- On 'Mateship'. Ben and Tim are interviewed by Maxine Brown from the RSL

Richard Baker is one of Australia’s most decorated investigative journalists. He has five Walkley Awards and 15 Melbourne Press Club Quill Awards. Embracing the medium of podcasts, his last two series won global and national awards. In 2016, he created and co-hosted a major investigative podcast series called Phoebe’s Fall, which led to legislative changes in Victoria, Australia. The series attracted millions of downloads, and won a Gold Medal award at the NYE Festivals in 2017. Richard’s second podcast series, Wrong Skin  won the Australian Podcast of the Year in 2019! In Richard's wider work, he has covered topics ranging from international corruption, crime, drugs in sport, the justice system, politics, and sexual abuse.  This year Richard released a podcast series entitled “The Last Voyage of the Pong Su”, which (unfortunately for Richard) collided his path with Ben and Tim! It’s an action movie podcast…. And it’s available now!   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) <ul><li>00:00. Ben’s excellent research skills</li> <li>04:00. The quick guide to winning multiple awards as a journalist</li> <li>06:55. What’s the skill in writing to communicate a story?</li> <li>11:01. The tension between storytelling, entertainment and news.</li> <li>13:05. Attention spans and journalism.</li> <li>14:45. On social media as an entry point.</li> <li>16:15. The importance of a headline?</li> <li>19:02. Competition means ‘it’s got to sing’.  </li> <li>20:22. Is there such thing as bad investigative journalism.</li> <li>22:50. The new medium of podcast. Good for investigative journalism?</li> <li>25:20. The podcast format- correlations with the 1940s?</li> <li>26:50. The community of downloaders and awards.</li> <li>29:00. The new series that brought Richard together with Ben and Tim</li> <li>29:50. What was it like on the North Korean Drug vessel the MV PONG SU?</li> <li>34:00. Is there black and whites? About ‘shades of grey’.</li> <li>40:00. What the drug ship did well… and poorly.</li> <li>46:30. Quick Questions/ Quick Answers!</li> </ul>  About Richard  <a href="https://www.theage.com.au/by/richard-baker-hve6o">https://www.theage.com.au/by/richard-baker-hve6o</a>   The Last Voyage of the PONG SU <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-last-voyage-of-the-pong-su/id1481166968">https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-last-voyage-of-the-pong-su/id1481166968</a>   Music As always music by: The Externals. 'US Radio' (available on spotify)

Richard Baker is one of Australia’s most decorated investigative journalists. He has five Walkley Awards and 15 Melbourne Press Club Quill Awards. Embracing the medium of podcasts, his last two series won global and national awards. In 2016, he created and co-hosted a major investigative podcast series called Phoebe’s Fall, which led to legislative changes in Victoria, Australia. The series attracted millions of downloads, and won a Gold Medal award at the NYE Festivals in 2017. Richard’s second podcast series, Wrong Skin  won the Australian Podcast of the Year in 2019! In Richard's wider work, he has covered topics ranging from international corruption, crime, drugs in sport, the justice system, politics, and sexual abuse.  This year Richard released a podcast series entitled “The Last Voyage of the Pong Su”, which (unfortunately for Richard) collided his path with Ben and Tim! It’s an action movie podcast…. And it’s available now!   Intelligence Summary (INTSUM) 00:00. Ben’s excellent research skills 04:00. The quick guide to winning multiple awards as a journalist 06:55. What’s the skill in writing to communicate a story? 11:01. The tension between storytelling, entertainment and news. 13:05. Attention spans and journalism. 14:45. On social media as an entry point. 16:15. The importance of a headline? 19:02. Competition means ‘it’s got to sing’.   20:22. Is there such thing as bad investigative journalism. 22:50. The new medium of podcast. Good for investigative journalism? 25:20. The podcast format- correlations with the 1940s? 26:50. The community of downloaders and awards. 29:00. The new series that brought Richard together with Ben and Tim 29:50. What was it like on the North Korean Drug vessel the MV PONG SU? 34:00. Is there black and whites? About ‘shades of grey’. 40:00. What the drug ship did well… and poorly. 46:30. Quick Questions/ Quick Answers!   About Richard  https://www.theage.com.au/by/richard-baker-hve6o   The Last Voyage of the PONG SU https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-last-voyage-of-the-pong-su/id1481166968   Music As always music by: The Externals. 'US Radio' (available on spotify)

S1E29- Richard Baker- Journalistic Royalty- Proving the pen is mightier than the PONG SU!

Two ex-special operations guys armed with MBAs seek out people leading lives less ordinary, in order to find out how they fill their ‘unforgiving minutes’, and what helps them go, always, a little further. Like intellectual bowerbirds, we collect shiny little objects of knowledge that will help build better humans. Co-hosted by Ben Pronk and Tim Curtis.

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