<img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1584467597945-KGIDC4NWAJEJE7F72U6G/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kAafH4Z0kKDUqy01FiFIEOB7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1URuH37MmllBuKd0-dK3DHT4dX2MEzKzwZmbCW9vGCl2jAY5POXD_h1jeGI4ZHjnUGw/IMG_0947-5.jpg" data-image-dimensions="2000x1489" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="IMG_0947-5.jpg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5e710e8bd885713b27801d24" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1584467597945-KGIDC4NWAJEJE7F72U6G/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kAafH4Z0kKDUqy01FiFIEOB7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1URuH37MmllBuKd0-dK3DHT4dX2MEzKzwZmbCW9vGCl2jAY5POXD_h1jeGI4ZHjnUGw/IMG_0947-5.jpg?format=1000w" /> <h3>This story was originally broadcast on All Things Considered in 1993. The ground was shifting under my feet back then and I had to figure out what to do. Now it’s shifting again, this time everybody’s in it together. There are things we can do, stories to tell, that can make us feel better. </h3><h3>Thanks for listening and supporting this show. </h3> Donate

 This story was originally broadcast on All Things Considered in 1993. The ground was shifting under my feet back then and I had to figure out what to do. Now it’s shifting again, this time everybody’s in it together. There are things we can do, stories to tell, that can make us feel better. Thanks for listening and supporting this show. Donate

Home of the Brave

The Dry Wall

<img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1582754527318-KHYD6NUYB17ZWHTIOVJN/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kOCvElOVRcfk2ex3ymuGUeF7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QHyNOqBUUEtDDsRWrJLTmEczKEiHaQrO44vfJ0kKvIKid8c13qML14aeQL-_TqDYS9Ju_CyBn056rZhC2YNrH/20200225_184012-2.jpg" data-image-dimensions="1070x1500" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="Adrienne Kinne just after basic training in 1994." data-load="false" data-image-id="5e56eadd1847ac645d182ffb" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1582754527318-KHYD6NUYB17ZWHTIOVJN/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kOCvElOVRcfk2ex3ymuGUeF7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QHyNOqBUUEtDDsRWrJLTmEczKEiHaQrO44vfJ0kKvIKid8c13qML14aeQL-_TqDYS9Ju_CyBn056rZhC2YNrH/20200225_184012-2.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Adrienne Kinne just after basic training in 1994.</p> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1582754554824-G628R5MIPMZU14IUFP8T/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kJUlZr2Ql5GtSKWrQpjur5t7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UfNdxJhjhuaNor070w_QAc94zjGLGXCa1tSmDVMXf8RUVhMJRmnnhuU1v2M8fLFyJw/FB_IMG_1582659975620-2.jpg" data-image-dimensions="1500x1500" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="Adrienne Kinne, 2020" data-load="false" data-image-id="5e56eaf91dce0870d8402a58" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1582754554824-G628R5MIPMZU14IUFP8T/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kJUlZr2Ql5GtSKWrQpjur5t7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UfNdxJhjhuaNor070w_QAc94zjGLGXCa1tSmDVMXf8RUVhMJRmnnhuU1v2M8fLFyJw/FB_IMG_1582659975620-2.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Adrienne Kinne, 2020</p> <h3>I should confess that I have a personal interest in listening to veterans talk about how they recover from war. I was never in the military, but I spent some time overseas as a war correspondent for Esquire, Harper’s, and Mother Jones magazines. I was never in a battle or close to a bomb going off. I saw the aftermath—bodies on the ground, neighborhoods turned to rubble, people silent and in shock. The main thing I have to deal with is knowing that a couple times people who were helping me with my stories were punished, severely, after I left. I got to fly home to America and they had to stay there and suffer the consequences for helping me. I carry this guilt. So when veterans speak of their experiences recovering from war I listen very carefully.</h3><h3>Check out the <a href="https://www.veteransforpeace.org">Veterans for Peace website</a>.</h3><h3>Here’s a link to <a href="https://www.dougpeacock.net">Doug Peacock’s website</a>. And a link to <a href="https://savetheyellowstonegrizzly.org">Save the Yellowstone Grizzly</a>.</h3><h3>And the link to the video of Brandi Carlile performing live on<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxLECbf0nOA"> KEXP.</a></h3> Donate <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1582755171497-XEPT7ODMJH1HJP7LFEYG/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kAjkaFTyBy8qANmErpxxnawUqsxRUqqbr1mOJYKfIPR7LoDQ9mXPOjoJoqy81S2I8N_N4V1vUb5AoIIIbLZhVYy7Mythp_T-mtop-vrsUOmeInPi9iDjx9w8K4ZfjXt2drtm2QGwqrGwDbYQLbBdiOKFRoiG18sEQh82yb7Mc1UsbSexTd1-frD7527z4SM9QQ/Doug+green+beret.jpg" data-image-dimensions="1500x997" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="Douglas Peacock in 1967" data-load="false" data-image-id="5e56ed611847ac645d18cd19" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1582755171497-XEPT7ODMJH1HJP7LFEYG/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kAjkaFTyBy8qANmErpxxnawUqsxRUqqbr1mOJYKfIPR7LoDQ9mXPOjoJoqy81S2I8N_N4V1vUb5AoIIIbLZhVYy7Mythp_T-mtop-vrsUOmeInPi9iDjx9w8K4ZfjXt2drtm2QGwqrGwDbYQLbBdiOKFRoiG18sEQh82yb7Mc1UsbSexTd1-frD7527z4SM9QQ/Doug+green+beret.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Douglas Peacock in 1967</p> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1582755212926-IRUS226C1EKIO2WTOSAN/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kCi0ooQA7ekenkwTiJkKq-F7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1Uey7bRyt_Q60Ydz0KD21jD9NN7RecX6uPeR7v-jh0NvITaIpBKTr91CW8Hu-LnUQUQ/IMG_1201.jpg" data-image-dimensions="1500x1050" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="Douglas Peacock south of Ajo, Arizona, 2020" data-load="false" data-image-id="5e56ed89a48d421ed1c24147" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1582755212926-IRUS226C1EKIO2WTOSAN/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kCi0ooQA7ekenkwTiJkKq-F7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1Uey7bRyt_Q60Ydz0KD21jD9NN7RecX6uPeR7v-jh0NvITaIpBKTr91CW8Hu-LnUQUQ/IMG_1201.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Douglas Peacock south of Ajo, Arizona, 2020</p>

 Adrienne Kinne just after basic training in 1994. Adrienne Kinne, 2020 I should confess that I have a personal interest in listening to veterans talk about how they recover from war. I was never in the military, but I spent some time overseas as a war correspondent for Esquire, Harper’s, and Mother Jones magazines. I was never in a battle or close to a bomb going off. I saw the aftermath—bodies on the ground, neighborhoods turned to rubble, people silent and in shock. The main thing I have to deal with is knowing that a couple times people who were helping me with my stories were punished, severely, after I left. I got to fly home to America and they had to stay there and suffer the consequences for helping me. I carry this guilt. So when veterans speak of their experiences recovering from war I listen very carefully.Check out the Veterans for Peace website.Here’s a link to Doug Peacock’s website. And a link to Save the Yellowstone Grizzly.And the link to the video of Brandi Carlile performing live on KEXP. Donate Douglas Peacock in 1967 Douglas Peacock south of Ajo, Arizona, 2020

Anti-War Stories: Adrienne Kinne and Douglas Peacock

<img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1581549707500-P81AG8KEBCIMTZ72GYJ9/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kG7FdVu-9D6e8kEuA_PqhSIUqsxRUqqbr1mOJYKfIPR7LoDQ9mXPOjoJoqy81S2I8GRo6ASst2s6pLvNAu_PZdJrSQqv3udGCOcv4TqSDk-vHh9fgjAXDf_d9ijcGyTVlSFu1NyGBMUFqeik6Zbchgw/Elliott+Woods+2004+Iraq.PNG" data-image-dimensions="732x1216" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="Elliott Woods as a soldier in Iraq, 2004" data-load="false" data-image-id="5e4488889ffc7f4c6bee8122" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1581549707500-P81AG8KEBCIMTZ72GYJ9/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kG7FdVu-9D6e8kEuA_PqhSIUqsxRUqqbr1mOJYKfIPR7LoDQ9mXPOjoJoqy81S2I8GRo6ASst2s6pLvNAu_PZdJrSQqv3udGCOcv4TqSDk-vHh9fgjAXDf_d9ijcGyTVlSFu1NyGBMUFqeik6Zbchgw/Elliott+Woods+2004+Iraq.PNG?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Elliott Woods as a soldier in Iraq, 2004</p> <h3>Today I have a conversation with Elliott Woods, a veteran who is also a very fine writer. He served a year as a combat engineer in northern Iraq. Then he came home and went to school at the University of Virginia, graduating with a degree in English literature. He thought about staying in school and becoming a professor, but he decided he wanted to go back to war, this time as a journalist.</h3><h3>Check out <a href="https://www.elliottwoods.com/index">Elliott’s website</a>.</h3> Donate <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1581550247688-UDJ0H1YN1U4J5DVJKKDQ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kDNmyC5FM8GiR4og3MgQa1x7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0tb-hnCqoepq4X8c1traqO_JWRA3fEpTuA5K9wzrbyCcSebwWA2O1ajdB4h3_NxcMA/Elliott+Kandahar+2010.JPG" data-image-dimensions="2500x3764" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="Elliott Woods as a journalist in Afghanistan, 2009" data-load="false" data-image-id="5e448aa15355bd67ffa54cc6" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1581550247688-UDJ0H1YN1U4J5DVJKKDQ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kDNmyC5FM8GiR4og3MgQa1x7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0tb-hnCqoepq4X8c1traqO_JWRA3fEpTuA5K9wzrbyCcSebwWA2O1ajdB4h3_NxcMA/Elliott+Kandahar+2010.JPG?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Elliott Woods as a journalist in Afghanistan, 2009</p> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1581550337940-WLL3MLVHOU14MEKF63WQ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kDHPSfPanjkWqhH6pl6g5ph7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0mwONMR1ELp49Lyc52iWr5dNb1QJw9casjKdtTg1_-y4jz4ptJBmI9gQmbjSQnNGng/Elliott+Mammoth+Hot+Springs+2019.jpg" data-image-dimensions="2500x1875" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="Elliott Woods at Mammoth Hot Springs, Wyoming, 2019" data-load="false" data-image-id="5e448afb9ffc7f4c6bef1c3f" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1581550337940-WLL3MLVHOU14MEKF63WQ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kDHPSfPanjkWqhH6pl6g5ph7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0mwONMR1ELp49Lyc52iWr5dNb1QJw9casjKdtTg1_-y4jz4ptJBmI9gQmbjSQnNGng/Elliott+Mammoth+Hot+Springs+2019.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Elliott Woods at Mammoth Hot Springs, Wyoming, 2019</p>

 Elliott Woods as a soldier in Iraq, 2004 Today I have a conversation with Elliott Woods, a veteran who is also a very fine writer. He served a year as a combat engineer in northern Iraq. Then he came home and went to school at the University of Virginia, graduating with a degree in English literature. He thought about staying in school and becoming a professor, but he decided he wanted to go back to war, this time as a journalist.Check out Elliott’s website. Donate Elliott Woods as a journalist in Afghanistan, 2009 Elliott Woods at Mammoth Hot Springs, Wyoming, 2019

Anti-War Stories: Elliott Woods

<img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1580665031090-EI3OLPW8UHP9P5XKGOSU/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kNnVUdz0LMwmPl0bUEdqt1x7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UY9kEpUDRFtF-iv7XsWZcTVPg8yOhK8LaOZuZMsCG_7vVVjs4-Y4P_C8EhABwvP0NA/Shogun+Sniper-2.jpg" data-image-dimensions="1500x1183" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="Garett Reppenhagen in Iraq, 2004" data-load="false" data-image-id="5e3708c512092f15876c5f85" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1580665031090-EI3OLPW8UHP9P5XKGOSU/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kNnVUdz0LMwmPl0bUEdqt1x7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UY9kEpUDRFtF-iv7XsWZcTVPg8yOhK8LaOZuZMsCG_7vVVjs4-Y4P_C8EhABwvP0NA/Shogun+Sniper-2.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Garett Reppenhagen in Iraq, 2004</p> <h3>I believe that sometime in the future, sooner or later, people in the United States will admit and accept that we have lost the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and demand that our troops be brought back home. Now we are in denial, which is dangerous because when you’re in denial you keep making the same mistake over and over again. I believe we need to talk about what we’ve done, the mistakes we’ve made, the crimes we’ve committed in order to move from denial to acceptance and then figure out how to change the way we respond to terrorism. This interview is the first in a series with veterans who fought in our wars and now are working for peace. </h3><h3>Here’s a link to <a href="https://www.veteransforpeace.org">Veterans for Peace</a>.</h3> Donate <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1580665732552-26UJXTFSHJQ1ZRN6QP3L/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kG_1p7OCA9UaGvfB4m_Fqwl7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UT-jUql9NjF6TgcXxGuT7GVSMkcQmgzbwJHEEwlRG50EISvQmwN60hB-jM3cH1Ew2w/RNCWinterSoldier-3.jpg" data-image-dimensions="1500x1369" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="Garett Reppenhagen, 2008" data-load="false" data-image-id="5e370b8312092f15876ce045" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1580665732552-26UJXTFSHJQ1ZRN6QP3L/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kG_1p7OCA9UaGvfB4m_Fqwl7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UT-jUql9NjF6TgcXxGuT7GVSMkcQmgzbwJHEEwlRG50EISvQmwN60hB-jM3cH1Ew2w/RNCWinterSoldier-3.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Garett Reppenhagen, 2008</p>

 Garett Reppenhagen in Iraq, 2004 I believe that sometime in the future, sooner or later, people in the United States will admit and accept that we have lost the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and demand that our troops be brought back home. Now we are in denial, which is dangerous because when you’re in denial you keep making the same mistake over and over again. I believe we need to talk about what we’ve done, the mistakes we’ve made, the crimes we’ve committed in order to move from denial to acceptance and then figure out how to change the way we respond to terrorism. This interview is the first in a series with veterans who fought in our wars and now are working for peace. Here’s a link to Veterans for Peace. Donate Garett Reppenhagen, 2008

Anti-War Stories: Garett Reppenhagen

<img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1579286487477-B4NIQ8QACP4NFIUDU27I/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kBU92CiTSRBfQMVqn2Rxfnd7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UejyW7Vlhq9xLDQj9I5etbTp0fYGrxdZUElum-UEW1UoTy4zWIJ71SxhZRV7zcNXww/IMG_0594-2.jpg" data-image-dimensions="2000x1456" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="IMG_0594-2.jpg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5e21ffd306e85d1185c9855a" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1579286487477-B4NIQ8QACP4NFIUDU27I/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kBU92CiTSRBfQMVqn2Rxfnd7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UejyW7Vlhq9xLDQj9I5etbTp0fYGrxdZUElum-UEW1UoTy4zWIJ71SxhZRV7zcNXww/IMG_0594-2.jpg?format=1000w" /> <h3>Last spring I was invited to speak at the Oorzaken Audio Festival in Amsterdam. I remember seeing leaves come out on the trees along the canals and tulips blooming on the bridges. The first night I was there i was interviewed on stage at the Torpedo Theater by the hosts of the <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/podcastclub/id1409377657?i=1000437692704">Podcastclub</a>, a Dutch podcast hosted by Lieven Heeremans and Misha Melita. </h3><h3>This time I’m the one answering the questions.</h3> Donate <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1579287413282-1VODFBUFKJBRTFUIM1YO/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kCZkMXvlG2u3j6c7QrrJl2Z7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UWYl2MD0tmAINEQ0icU-OX5DT6rKoQpstcEKzereZD7zkC7MTV4zpKUlQG8_gHGYTQ/IMG_0619-2.jpg" data-image-dimensions="2000x1394" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="IMG_0619-2.jpg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5e2203712d791a281fc4e4df" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1579287413282-1VODFBUFKJBRTFUIM1YO/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kCZkMXvlG2u3j6c7QrrJl2Z7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UWYl2MD0tmAINEQ0icU-OX5DT6rKoQpstcEKzereZD7zkC7MTV4zpKUlQG8_gHGYTQ/IMG_0619-2.jpg?format=1000w" /> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1579287433620-KQC6QMFGBY7R5KPFZPNZ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kEN23Y4dxvN-lR5wiiBjECR7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UW5G7H_47xu06bcxAfpIpLJHwyRd4KSqV03jx0S7jOdZ3HQ7Y2WlVdMid7sjic-hZA/IMG_0628-2.jpg" data-image-dimensions="2000x1368" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="IMG_0628-2.jpg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5e22038587b00d44dcb7dbdc" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1579287433620-KQC6QMFGBY7R5KPFZPNZ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kEN23Y4dxvN-lR5wiiBjECR7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UW5G7H_47xu06bcxAfpIpLJHwyRd4KSqV03jx0S7jOdZ3HQ7Y2WlVdMid7sjic-hZA/IMG_0628-2.jpg?format=1000w" /> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1579287454445-KT628BVFAWWFRR7527DB/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kBvqxEitS-UylRsM4SxaOY57gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UT6lz9jShndADF2Lq_ASOhGMqRsuryUrNn-HqNeRHe4xymJi60UOMP6vnVEfIc36uw/IMG_0614-2.jpg" data-image-dimensions="2000x1465" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="IMG_0614-2.jpg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5e2203997aeb8f7c4e537dd9" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1579287454445-KT628BVFAWWFRR7527DB/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kBvqxEitS-UylRsM4SxaOY57gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UT6lz9jShndADF2Lq_ASOhGMqRsuryUrNn-HqNeRHe4xymJi60UOMP6vnVEfIc36uw/IMG_0614-2.jpg?format=1000w" />

 Last spring I was invited to speak at the Oorzaken Audio Festival in Amsterdam. I remember seeing leaves come out on the trees along the canals and tulips blooming on the bridges. The first night I was there i was interviewed on stage at the Torpedo Theater by the hosts of the Podcastclub, a Dutch podcast hosted by Lieven Heeremans and Misha Melita. This time I’m the one answering the questions. Donate 

Interview in Amsterdam

<img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1578069675674-LB3A6BRUS55QO8RGOMQK/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kHlEaxwrnUHhuTMeiuAQv197gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UUmNbHW-cBhHgs7kSNPasXZcBD84xAcktbcpU7LNTUwn6Xq0OvvZcgUM4DsCPvq7jw/20200102-3694658699_55d3ff5345_o-2.jpg" data-image-dimensions="2000x1886" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="20200102-3694658699_55d3ff5345_o-2.jpg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5e0f6eaaabc5e575f1791a37" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1578069675674-LB3A6BRUS55QO8RGOMQK/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kHlEaxwrnUHhuTMeiuAQv197gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UUmNbHW-cBhHgs7kSNPasXZcBD84xAcktbcpU7LNTUwn6Xq0OvvZcgUM4DsCPvq7jw/20200102-3694658699_55d3ff5345_o-2.jpg?format=1000w" /> <h3>His real name is Alissandru Francesco Caldiero, born into the old world on the island of Sicily, he came to the U.S. on a boat when he was nine years old, sailing past the Statue of Liberty. When I first met him, nearly 30 years later, he was screaming a Dada poem at a sandstone wall in southern Utah—repeating the same line, “This is not it,” over and over, faster and faster in a near epileptic seizure. In that moment our lives became intertwined.</h3><h3>I think of this story as a song, a lament for not fitting in and feeling like you can’t make sense of the world around you, which is how I’ve been feeling lately. The story was originally broadcast on NPR’s Day to Day in 2003, right around the time we went to war in Iraq.</h3><h3>To learn more about Alex Caldiero, check out this excellent documentary, <a href="http://www.thesonosopher.com">The Sonosopher</a>. Photos by<a href="https://www.ashleythalman.com"> Ashley Thalman</a>.</h3> Donate <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1578071507453-RBMFHO84AALLEIT1AI9H/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kEhxLNCwW7LbXO_zOWQsYxR7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QHyNOqBUUEtDDsRWrJLTmFF4sHvmgi8rFwPHCWctdptRpaj_Oe-XpVqkxzuHz_Ha9F7XP84LjtlDhiLnCag21/20090630-3697042570_ab37c7abff_o-2.jpg" data-image-dimensions="1338x2000" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="20090630-3697042570_ab37c7abff_o-2.jpg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5e0f75d0921c7328cc76512d" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1578071507453-RBMFHO84AALLEIT1AI9H/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kEhxLNCwW7LbXO_zOWQsYxR7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QHyNOqBUUEtDDsRWrJLTmFF4sHvmgi8rFwPHCWctdptRpaj_Oe-XpVqkxzuHz_Ha9F7XP84LjtlDhiLnCag21/20090630-3697042570_ab37c7abff_o-2.jpg?format=1000w" />

 His real name is Alissandru Francesco Caldiero, born into the old world on the island of Sicily, he came to the U.S. on a boat when he was nine years old, sailing past the Statue of Liberty. When I first met him, nearly 30 years later, he was screaming a Dada poem at a sandstone wall in southern Utah—repeating the same line, “This is not it,” over and over, faster and faster in a near epileptic seizure. In that moment our lives became intertwined.I think of this story as a song, a lament for not fitting in and feeling like you can’t make sense of the world around you, which is how I’ve been feeling lately. The story was originally broadcast on NPR’s Day to Day in 2003, right around the time we went to war in Iraq.To learn more about Alex Caldiero, check out this excellent documentary, The Sonosopher. Photos by Ashley Thalman. Donate 

The Wordshaker

<img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1576862671425-R0F805WA24WDZGXN1KT4/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kFdj1LU3QXNrC7XCDJRXSjl7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1US_GH6w34F4AbXQYP1mTMh6WZrJMPe9RIQ00FIMO_YvQxJ-BQGo94klLBA8TVf45lA/oak_exc2-2.jpg" data-image-dimensions="2000x1500" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="oak_exc2-2.jpg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5dfd03cc5b795a3fc9382370" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1576862671425-R0F805WA24WDZGXN1KT4/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kFdj1LU3QXNrC7XCDJRXSjl7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1US_GH6w34F4AbXQYP1mTMh6WZrJMPe9RIQ00FIMO_YvQxJ-BQGo94klLBA8TVf45lA/oak_exc2-2.jpg?format=1000w" /> <h3>I’ve been in Armenia teaching a podcasting workshop sponsored by the U.S. State Department. I think it went well, overall, and the students were exceptional. Perhaps I will write about it someday, but not now. </h3><h3>I’ve come back to impeachment week before Christmas, a double whammy to go with my jet lag. So I’m going to re-play The Rebel Yell, a story about the 2004 Republican Convention in New York City, first podcast on this program in April of 2015.</h3><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" class=""></p><p class="">Music by the Icelandic group<a href="http://mum.is"> Mum</a> (<em>We Have a Map of the Piano, The Land Between Solar Systems, Slow Bicycle</em>) and Kid Rock (<em>All Summer Long</em>).</p> Donate

 I’ve been in Armenia teaching a podcasting workshop sponsored by the U.S. State Department. I think it went well, overall, and the students were exceptional. Perhaps I will write about it someday, but not now. I’ve come back to impeachment week before Christmas, a double whammy to go with my jet lag. So I’m going to re-play The Rebel Yell, a story about the 2004 Republican Convention in New York City, first podcast on this program in April of 2015.Music by the Icelandic group Mum (We Have a Map of the Piano, The Land Between Solar Systems, Slow Bicycle) and Kid Rock (All Summer Long). Donate

Re-Play: The Rebel Yell

<img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1574453486589-7TRA1T2AE46BZA1XOCBR/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kDHPSfPanjkWqhH6pl6g5ph7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0mwONMR1ELp49Lyc52iWr5dNb1QJw9casjKdtTg1_-y4jz4ptJBmI9gQmbjSQnNGng/IMG_2065.jpg" data-image-dimensions="2500x1875" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="IMG_2065.jpg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5dd840ebfafde645e01e28fa" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1574453486589-7TRA1T2AE46BZA1XOCBR/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kDHPSfPanjkWqhH6pl6g5ph7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0mwONMR1ELp49Lyc52iWr5dNb1QJw9casjKdtTg1_-y4jz4ptJBmI9gQmbjSQnNGng/IMG_2065.jpg?format=1000w" /> <h3>My operating hypothesis is that our cultural divide is a function of our oligarchic government. If a relatively few super-rich people control our wealth and power then it would be in their interest to keep the masses angry and blaming each other, fighting amongst themselves. In this way Donald Trump is a tool of the oligarchy, dividing us by twitters—so efficient and profitable and addicting—he incites fear of the other. </h3><h3>So, if this is true, the most effective method of fighting oligarchic control might be to give up our fear of the other. I’ve been trying to practice this method by driving around Trump Country and talking to people, listening to people, because I find that listening dissolves fear.</h3> Donate

 My operating hypothesis is that our cultural divide is a function of our oligarchic government. If a relatively few super-rich people control our wealth and power then it would be in their interest to keep the masses angry and blaming each other, fighting amongst themselves. In this way Donald Trump is a tool of the oligarchy, dividing us by twitters—so efficient and profitable and addicting—he incites fear of the other. So, if this is true, the most effective method of fighting oligarchic control might be to give up our fear of the other. I’ve been trying to practice this method by driving around Trump Country and talking to people, listening to people, because I find that listening dissolves fear. Donate

Encountering the Other, Part Three

<img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1572053867082-O3THC4DS3TG4BDNJPRVF/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kFdj1LU3QXNrC7XCDJRXSjl7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1US_GH6w34F4AbXQYP1mTMh6WZrJMPe9RIQ00FIMO_YvQxJ-BQGo94klLBA8TVf45lA/IMG_1976-2.jpg" data-image-dimensions="2000x1500" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="IMG_1976-2.jpg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5db3a36968f78b50ea125c32" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1572053867082-O3THC4DS3TG4BDNJPRVF/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kFdj1LU3QXNrC7XCDJRXSjl7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1US_GH6w34F4AbXQYP1mTMh6WZrJMPe9RIQ00FIMO_YvQxJ-BQGo94klLBA8TVf45lA/IMG_1976-2.jpg?format=1000w" /> <h3>I was driving around rural western Colorado, near the border with Utah, near where Jack Kerouac saw a vision of God in the clouds that looked like Pooh Bear. I was looking for people I was a little afraid of—Republicans, Trump supporters—and there on the side of the highway were three signs that made me think I was in the right place.</h3><p class="">Music: Main Theme, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Kill-Mockingbird-Elmer-Bernstein/dp/B0000014ZR" target="_blank">Soundtrack for To Kill A Mockingbird </a>by Elmer Bernstein</p> Donate <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1572054582949-3QGWFFSHKUEGHLJ85R8I/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kCgm2N9AG23RXmQYHRPoBU97gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UYZtDOjZbP5GbuTfyne_HS_TdFx6rA-03kPPCS5GL55V4rcaivdlgtYzhH1FgpIwag/DSCF1640-2.jpg" data-image-dimensions="2000x1320" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="DSCF1640-2.jpg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5db3a63368f78b50ea128c5e" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1572054582949-3QGWFFSHKUEGHLJ85R8I/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kCgm2N9AG23RXmQYHRPoBU97gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UYZtDOjZbP5GbuTfyne_HS_TdFx6rA-03kPPCS5GL55V4rcaivdlgtYzhH1FgpIwag/DSCF1640-2.jpg?format=1000w" /> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1572064471266-NSZRIHCXWQGE19LN88VW/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kFEjzaRNf3ffIWRBhjxIjp97gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1Udfmyf_fYcz5UXa7u3yAibvUVYwMxn_kSOVwD4Lx0mAwhDu1IQrvWcV79sMhlbVyNQ/DSCF1642-2.jpg" data-image-dimensions="2000x1332" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="DSCF1642-2.jpg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5db3ccd5628b613d417af69c" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1572064471266-NSZRIHCXWQGE19LN88VW/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kFEjzaRNf3ffIWRBhjxIjp97gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1Udfmyf_fYcz5UXa7u3yAibvUVYwMxn_kSOVwD4Lx0mAwhDu1IQrvWcV79sMhlbVyNQ/DSCF1642-2.jpg?format=1000w" /> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1572054640525-4DW6NE79AQNVUON4IPFV/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kHH9S2ID7_bpupQnTdrPcoF7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0nQwvinDXPV4EYh2MRzm-RRB5rUELEv7EY2n0AZOrEupxpSyqbqKSgmzcCPWV5WMiQ/DSCF1656.jpeg" data-image-dimensions="2500x1666" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="DSCF1656.jpeg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5db3a667628b613d4178992a" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1572054640525-4DW6NE79AQNVUON4IPFV/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kHH9S2ID7_bpupQnTdrPcoF7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0nQwvinDXPV4EYh2MRzm-RRB5rUELEv7EY2n0AZOrEupxpSyqbqKSgmzcCPWV5WMiQ/DSCF1656.jpeg?format=1000w" /> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1572063335648-IYRKPCZTK8HC9BZJVX06/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kPdG9PX1BdSF2DC1aeSm2SJ7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0o8OMvY5tuV_wqZQCqqStn79-3cJDI418TcywLiORijbGycG7_S7yhF_q2Bj7zWRkQ/DSCF1686_DSCF1687.jpg" data-image-dimensions="2500x1083" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="DSCF1686_DSCF1687.jpg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5db3c85d0e6ba42da95daa71" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1572063335648-IYRKPCZTK8HC9BZJVX06/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kPdG9PX1BdSF2DC1aeSm2SJ7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0o8OMvY5tuV_wqZQCqqStn79-3cJDI418TcywLiORijbGycG7_S7yhF_q2Bj7zWRkQ/DSCF1686_DSCF1687.jpg?format=1000w" />

 I was driving around rural western Colorado, near the border with Utah, near where Jack Kerouac saw a vision of God in the clouds that looked like Pooh Bear. I was looking for people I was a little afraid of—Republicans, Trump supporters—and there on the side of the highway were three signs that made me think I was in the right place.Music: Main Theme, Soundtrack for To Kill A Mockingbird by Elmer Bernstein Donate 

Encountering the Other, Part Two

<img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1570137342042-0Q279TXYGA7NI7G3MPKQ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kHO3d-3FB_ZlfXsuMwaxEKgUqsxRUqqbr1mOJYKfIPR7LoDQ9mXPOjoJoqy81S2I8N_N4V1vUb5AoIIIbLZhVYy7Mythp_T-mtop-vrsUOmeInPi9iDjx9w8K4ZfjXt2dh9iCSRSWEwS9-vPuxTJNszuCex5tbrIcKqjYoMXNR_2JvwGh1qtNWvMhYKnvaKhbA/untitled+%281+of+2%29.jpeg" data-image-dimensions="2000x977" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="untitled (1 of 2).jpeg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5d9664fc69180f462cfd60fb" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1570137342042-0Q279TXYGA7NI7G3MPKQ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kHO3d-3FB_ZlfXsuMwaxEKgUqsxRUqqbr1mOJYKfIPR7LoDQ9mXPOjoJoqy81S2I8N_N4V1vUb5AoIIIbLZhVYy7Mythp_T-mtop-vrsUOmeInPi9iDjx9w8K4ZfjXt2dh9iCSRSWEwS9-vPuxTJNszuCex5tbrIcKqjYoMXNR_2JvwGh1qtNWvMhYKnvaKhbA/untitled+%281+of+2%29.jpeg?format=1000w" /> <h3>It’s not easy for me to walk up to people and ask if they want to be interviewed for my podcast. I’m afraid they will think I’m a fool, or an idiot, or be suspicious of the whole thing—fake news, etc. But on this trip, more often than not, it was other people who came up to me. Pretty much everybody wanted to talk about the cultural divide.</h3> Donate <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1570137661759-Z9UUD6ELN1Z4S80AWSD0/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kM27ZZI47ic5XRBZeHEXLbx7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0pTKqSDRwmMK43IUI3HojJVzs4UH6zJyplqGEef6zS_HQ5jKL-0x7Oc_ciLAaGkE5A/DSCF1579.jpeg" data-image-dimensions="2500x1685" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="DSCF1579.jpeg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5d966639c2c6886480ee2e2d" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1570137661759-Z9UUD6ELN1Z4S80AWSD0/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kM27ZZI47ic5XRBZeHEXLbx7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0pTKqSDRwmMK43IUI3HojJVzs4UH6zJyplqGEef6zS_HQ5jKL-0x7Oc_ciLAaGkE5A/DSCF1579.jpeg?format=1000w" />

 It’s not easy for me to walk up to people and ask if they want to be interviewed for my podcast. I’m afraid they will think I’m a fool, or an idiot, or be suspicious of the whole thing—fake news, etc. But on this trip, more often than not, it was other people who came up to me. Pretty much everybody wanted to talk about the cultural divide. Donate 

Encountering the Other

<img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1568333446782-JDA80H3RRMHN0VRFNEA0/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kFWxnDtCdRm2WA9rXcwtIYR7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UcTSrQkGwCGRqSxozz07hWZrYGYYH8sg4qn8Lpf9k1pYMHPsat2_S1jaQY3SwdyaXg/DSCF1515-2.jpg" data-image-dimensions="1500x1000" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="Yellowstone Lake, August 2019" data-load="false" data-image-id="5d7ade837097945e04ed32a5" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1568333446782-JDA80H3RRMHN0VRFNEA0/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kFWxnDtCdRm2WA9rXcwtIYR7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UcTSrQkGwCGRqSxozz07hWZrYGYYH8sg4qn8Lpf9k1pYMHPsat2_S1jaQY3SwdyaXg/DSCF1515-2.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Yellowstone Lake, August 2019</p> <h3>This show is a request for funding, a responsibility for which I am ill-suited. </h3><h3>I’m not interested in marketing and promotion. I’m opposed to advertising. I’m against monetizing my product. I don’t want my stories to go viral, I want them to go fungal like the underground network of mycorrhizal fibers that connect the roots of trees and plants in a forest, sharing food and information, a natural internet of physical connections on a cellular level. I’d rather think of my audience as trees than as data points on a graph, I’d rather grow my audience by word of mouth than by click bait. </h3><h3>Home of the Brave is 100% funded by listener contributions. Please <strong>donate</strong> a one-time contribution through Stripe (below), or <strong>subscribe</strong> with a monthly donation through Pay Pal (in the menu bar above), or maybe you’d like to <strong>shop</strong> for a very cool Home of the Brave t-shirt or patch (in the the menu bar). </h3><h3>Thank you very much for listening and supporting this show. </h3><h3>Music by Bob Moss and Pat King, recorded in 1991.</h3> Donate <p class=""><br><br></p> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1568333430467-EIK8NLUICJM9WI6NPZ2L/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kFWxnDtCdRm2WA9rXcwtIYR7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UcTSrQkGwCGRqSxozz07hWZrYGYYH8sg4qn8Lpf9k1pYMHPsat2_S1jaQY3SwdyaXg/DSCF1514-3.jpg" data-image-dimensions="1500x1000" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="DSCF1514-3.jpg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5d7ade7366ef491194dbb1c1" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1568333430467-EIK8NLUICJM9WI6NPZ2L/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kFWxnDtCdRm2WA9rXcwtIYR7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UcTSrQkGwCGRqSxozz07hWZrYGYYH8sg4qn8Lpf9k1pYMHPsat2_S1jaQY3SwdyaXg/DSCF1514-3.jpg?format=1000w" /> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1568333461693-8GYG9MV4JIVTJ5C6GID9/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kKy5oW8PAbVVreMFqsIZxaV7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1USG6zPlmNDH9lm6CBniCw6nBESzEc_tAZ1uGVsYf1s0m2_el3UdRTCv7-86XzlyiuA/DSCF1513-2.jpg" data-image-dimensions="1500x1023" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="DSCF1513-2.jpg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5d7ade915b79f651b1b035bb" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1568333461693-8GYG9MV4JIVTJ5C6GID9/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kKy5oW8PAbVVreMFqsIZxaV7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1USG6zPlmNDH9lm6CBniCw6nBESzEc_tAZ1uGVsYf1s0m2_el3UdRTCv7-86XzlyiuA/DSCF1513-2.jpg?format=1000w" />

 Yellowstone Lake, August 2019 This show is a request for funding, a responsibility for which I am ill-suited. I’m not interested in marketing and promotion. I’m opposed to advertising. I’m against monetizing my product. I don’t want my stories to go viral, I want them to go fungal like the underground network of mycorrhizal fibers that connect the roots of trees and plants in a forest, sharing food and information, a natural internet of physical connections on a cellular level. I’d rather think of my audience as trees than as data points on a graph, I’d rather grow my audience by word of mouth than by click bait. Home of the Brave is 100% funded by listener contributions. Please donate a one-time contribution through Stripe (below), or subscribe with a monthly donation through Pay Pal (in the menu bar above), or maybe you’d like to shop for a very cool Home of the Brave t-shirt or patch (in the the menu bar). Thank you very much for listening and supporting this show. Music by Bob Moss and Pat King, recorded in 1991. Donate 

Fund Drive

<img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1566591182371-NQRG5FC9GUAXHRG1MHUQ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kHNtVgJHrSUUmMY3l7vhTFd7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UWgFGpqRq55BUGMT1mxilHUUbvMqO2eEAatwg5LJx6d8JitFceF7jkM1Ao3HHk8GrA/120813__013.jpg" data-image-dimensions="1500x1058" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="Solidod in Bozeman, Montana, 2012. Photo by Jake Warga ." data-load="false" data-image-id="5d6048cd8980260001807d37" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1566591182371-NQRG5FC9GUAXHRG1MHUQ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kHNtVgJHrSUUmMY3l7vhTFd7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UWgFGpqRq55BUGMT1mxilHUUbvMqO2eEAatwg5LJx6d8JitFceF7jkM1Ao3HHk8GrA/120813__013.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Solidod in Bozeman, Montana, 2012. Photo by <a href="http://jakewarga.com" target="_blank">Jake Warga</a>.</p> <h2>Larry met Solidod by chance, or happenstance. He happened to be in Florida on vacation and he happened to be walking through an apartment complex in Vero Beach looking for another guy and he ended up meeting Solidod. She invited him into her apartment and then she told him her life story and they became friends. Shortly after that, Larry and Solidod went into a recording studio and made this story for <a href="https://hearingvoices.com" target="_blank">Hearing Voices</a>.</h2> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1566591425383-SHF5TC6V59CAVCGD301X/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kCpX2mwG9slVUzQCwhOMrQF7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UVDXM9yQ8sG6x3COIEUaadqpk9XPubC0H4MH9Az_c7nPqIjSxZ2rgD2_Fw9U6DWfsg/120812__013-3.jpg" data-image-dimensions="1500x1001" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="Solidod in the recording studio, Bozeman, Montana, 2012. Photo by Jake Warga ." data-load="false" data-image-id="5d6049c069a0010001e82037" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1566591425383-SHF5TC6V59CAVCGD301X/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kCpX2mwG9slVUzQCwhOMrQF7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UVDXM9yQ8sG6x3COIEUaadqpk9XPubC0H4MH9Az_c7nPqIjSxZ2rgD2_Fw9U6DWfsg/120812__013-3.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Solidod in the recording studio, Bozeman, Montana, 2012. Photo by <a href="http://jakewarga.com" target="_blank">Jake Warga</a>.</p> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1566591941292-W12LSM54YIG0Y5G3QSRQ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kBxX7QcyDclQBhYCHwbxl9YUqsxRUqqbr1mOJYKfIPR7LoDQ9mXPOjoJoqy81S2I8PaoYXhp6HxIwZIk7-Mi3Tsic-L2IOPH3Dwrhl-Ne3Z2cYSQx44Ke2W_Sil3mM9rjxDy3bM_ekv-qrbBkbvMWLYxb27qhdBlCJwccbVYQTp-/SolidodCoverKindle-2.jpg" data-image-dimensions="750x1000" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="The cover of Solidod’s e-book, available here ." data-load="false" data-image-id="5d604bc3b8d3ea0001707994" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1566591941292-W12LSM54YIG0Y5G3QSRQ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kBxX7QcyDclQBhYCHwbxl9YUqsxRUqqbr1mOJYKfIPR7LoDQ9mXPOjoJoqy81S2I8PaoYXhp6HxIwZIk7-Mi3Tsic-L2IOPH3Dwrhl-Ne3Z2cYSQx44Ke2W_Sil3mM9rjxDy3bM_ekv-qrbBkbvMWLYxb27qhdBlCJwccbVYQTp-/SolidodCoverKindle-2.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">The cover of Solidod’s e-book, available <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Apache-Original-Life-Times-Solidod-ebook/dp/B0087FR0FI/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=An%20apache%20original%20the%20life%20and%20times%20of%20solidod&amp;qid=1566588231&amp;s=gateway&amp;sr=8-1" target="_blank">here</a>.</p> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1566592138878-OHJBJO2ALGBK1LATFQQ0/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kF9aEDQaTpZHfWEO2zppK7Z7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UX7HUUwySjcPdRBGehEKrDf5zebfiuf9u6oCHzr2lsfYZD7bBzAwq_2wCJyqgJebgg/solidod-drawing-husband-3.jpg" data-image-dimensions="1500x1125" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="Solidod and her husband, by Solidod." data-load="false" data-image-id="5d604c88b8d3ea0001708690" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1566592138878-OHJBJO2ALGBK1LATFQQ0/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kF9aEDQaTpZHfWEO2zppK7Z7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UX7HUUwySjcPdRBGehEKrDf5zebfiuf9u6oCHzr2lsfYZD7bBzAwq_2wCJyqgJebgg/solidod-drawing-husband-3.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Solidod and her husband, by Solidod.</p> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1566592151367-ZMM5WMCUVY9GKZX12GTC/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kBxX7QcyDclQBhYCHwbxl9YUqsxRUqqbr1mOJYKfIPR7LoDQ9mXPOjoJoqy81S2I8PaoYXhp6HxIwZIk7-Mi3Tsic-L2IOPH3Dwrhl-Ne3Z2cYSQx44Ke2W_Sil3mM9rjxDy3bM_ekv-qrbBkbvMWLYxb27qhdBlCJwccbVYQTp-/solidod+108+012.jpg" data-image-dimensions="750x1000" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="My Indian, by Solidod." data-load="false" data-image-id="5d604c966857bb000104014c" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1566592151367-ZMM5WMCUVY9GKZX12GTC/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kBxX7QcyDclQBhYCHwbxl9YUqsxRUqqbr1mOJYKfIPR7LoDQ9mXPOjoJoqy81S2I8PaoYXhp6HxIwZIk7-Mi3Tsic-L2IOPH3Dwrhl-Ne3Z2cYSQx44Ke2W_Sil3mM9rjxDy3bM_ekv-qrbBkbvMWLYxb27qhdBlCJwccbVYQTp-/solidod+108+012.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">My Indian, by Solidod.</p> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1566592174756-YC3PTHN68LDLBK4RKSTJ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kF9aEDQaTpZHfWEO2zppK7Z7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UX7HUUwySjcPdRBGehEKrDf5zebfiuf9u6oCHzr2lsfYZD7bBzAwq_2wCJyqgJebgg/Attachment-1.jpg" data-image-dimensions="1500x1125" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="Solidod’s wedding belt. Solidod makes beaded belts and bracelets. She asked me to post her phone number so you can call and order a special design: 772-538-9701." data-load="false" data-image-id="5d604cabae47780001fd437e" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1566592174756-YC3PTHN68LDLBK4RKSTJ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kF9aEDQaTpZHfWEO2zppK7Z7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UX7HUUwySjcPdRBGehEKrDf5zebfiuf9u6oCHzr2lsfYZD7bBzAwq_2wCJyqgJebgg/Attachment-1.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Solidod’s wedding belt. Solidod makes beaded belts and bracelets. She asked me to post her phone number so you can call and order a special design: 772-538-9701.</p> <p class=""><br><br></p>

 Solidod in Bozeman, Montana, 2012. Photo by Jake Warga. Larry met Solidod by chance, or happenstance. He happened to be in Florida on vacation and he happened to be walking through an apartment complex in Vero Beach looking for another guy and he ended up meeting Solidod. She invited him into her apartment and then she told him her life story and they became friends. Shortly after that, Larry and Solidod went into a recording studio and made this story for Hearing Voices. Solidod in the recording studio, Bozeman, Montana, 2012. Photo by Jake Warga. The cover of Solidod’s e-book, available here. Solidod and her husband, by Solidod. My Indian, by Solidod. Solidod’s wedding belt. Solidod makes beaded belts and bracelets. She asked me to post her phone number so you can call and order a special design: 772-538-9701. 

The Life and Times of Solidod

<img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1565456949945-6VEKED7RZ36W3Q0IMQ8W/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kOX7GAjC_TKLKDIWoDIjOUB7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1URZ9Yg47j8HRw18RDrJWNVtqHe79WZSWECjAXNCaNqdCKJMv9bMHwOk5C9qUgqx9BA/IMG_1038_IMG_1039-2.jpg" data-image-dimensions="1956x1670" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="IMG_1038_IMG_1039-2.jpg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5d4efa2f8c37e000018105b2" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1565456949945-6VEKED7RZ36W3Q0IMQ8W/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kOX7GAjC_TKLKDIWoDIjOUB7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1URZ9Yg47j8HRw18RDrJWNVtqHe79WZSWECjAXNCaNqdCKJMv9bMHwOk5C9qUgqx9BA/IMG_1038_IMG_1039-2.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">I wanted to see the place where a war between the United States and Iran may begin. It turned out people over there couldn’t talk to me on tape because they live in countries without a tradition of free speech and they all feel they are being watched, and I didn’t want to get anybody in trouble. So this is a travelogue, a story about what it’s like to be there.</p><p class="">The psychedelic Persian Gulf surf music is by Hayvanlar Alemi (he’s actually from Turkey). Here’s the link to <a href="https://www.hayvanlaralemi.org/index.html" target="_blank">his website</a>.</p> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1565461979868-BIURCTA32JG2QX378OGX/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kFnNYlJv-bmUaYPGtMcZtgt7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0iy8Rj2bPXFyaluz0PeKicO6qIEPyvTeieLyBbe_t6IdRqpZJGXLUDBn2JWDVryfcg/IMG_1577+2.jpeg" data-image-dimensions="2500x1911" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="IMG_1577 2.jpeg" data-load="false" data-image-id="5d4f0dd95b52b40001959576" data-type="image" 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src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1565462296074-5FU1L19KCKXKJ71SVFSH/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kDHPSfPanjkWqhH6pl6g5ph7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0mwONMR1ELp49Lyc52iWr5dNb1QJw9casjKdtTg1_-y4jz4ptJBmI9gQmbjSQnNGng/IMG_1497.jpeg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Abu Dabi</p> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1565461741665-ZT3L32VCP1IX6VFL7W7G/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kImtV4G3RQbBgKNXW7KJ9BR7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0jAoOkRmPE63FUjiJOEKAz6HCekJ3438fUBnLBPhtpLm0DX3ZEVtmpsm52xAZ_gEGg/IMG_1352.jpeg" data-image-dimensions="2500x1913" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="Workers taking a break in Khasab, Oman." data-load="false" data-image-id="5d4f0ceaf303520001139f85" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1565461741665-ZT3L32VCP1IX6VFL7W7G/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kImtV4G3RQbBgKNXW7KJ9BR7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0jAoOkRmPE63FUjiJOEKAz6HCekJ3438fUBnLBPhtpLm0DX3ZEVtmpsm52xAZ_gEGg/IMG_1352.jpeg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Workers taking a break in Khasab, Oman.</p> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1565461699399-6JFGEM9G5LCE8DK13J75/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kKAwwdAfKsTlKsCcElEApLR7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UegTYNQkRo-Jk4EWsyBNhwKrKLo5CceA1-Tdpfgyxoog5ck0MD3_q0rY3jFJjjoLbQ/IMG_0768.jpg" data-image-dimensions="2000x1333" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="On the boat heading out to the Strait of Hormuz." data-load="false" data-image-id="5d4f0cc1e6a2b00001ff7145" data-type="image" 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src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1565461601760-FTPK7N6WGV44I2D6V8WH/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kKAwwdAfKsTlKsCcElEApLR7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UegTYNQkRo-Jk4EWsyBNhwKrKLo5CceA1-Tdpfgyxoog5ck0MD3_q0rY3jFJjjoLbQ/IMG_0792.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Near Kumzar, Oman, in the Strait of Hormuz.</p> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1565461535662-MG9VQWDEVV3JS98YH2IT/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kDHPSfPanjkWqhH6pl6g5ph7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0mwONMR1ELp49Lyc52iWr5dNb1QJw9casjKdtTg1_-y4jz4ptJBmI9gQmbjSQnNGng/IMG_1548.jpeg" data-image-dimensions="2500x1875" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="Fujairah, UAE." data-load="false" data-image-id="5d4f0c1caa513c0001532aec" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1565461535662-MG9VQWDEVV3JS98YH2IT/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kDHPSfPanjkWqhH6pl6g5ph7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0mwONMR1ELp49Lyc52iWr5dNb1QJw9casjKdtTg1_-y4jz4ptJBmI9gQmbjSQnNGng/IMG_1548.jpeg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Fujairah, UAE.</p> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1565461675263-68HDU9X4RF5BTU3CRFW1/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kDHPSfPanjkWqhH6pl6g5ph7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0mwONMR1ELp49Lyc52iWr5dNb1QJw9casjKdtTg1_-y4jz4ptJBmI9gQmbjSQnNGng/IMG_1443.jpeg" data-image-dimensions="2500x1875" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="Tuna and Sardines, Muscat, Oman." data-load="false" data-image-id="5d4f0ca6ddad270001914a8c" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1565461675263-68HDU9X4RF5BTU3CRFW1/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kDHPSfPanjkWqhH6pl6g5ph7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0mwONMR1ELp49Lyc52iWr5dNb1QJw9casjKdtTg1_-y4jz4ptJBmI9gQmbjSQnNGng/IMG_1443.jpeg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Tuna and Sardines, Muscat, Oman.</p> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1565461584129-ASKGNT37AK2Q9M1BP3U7/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kHf-1w4xF-L7DorTf8GMuUF7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UUTAZuMIo5J4N4rLGnnNoReMnz33aheB-sX5PSEPx5OZkbeSqSd-9kWxIIM6xT8ZQw/IMG_0797.jpg" data-image-dimensions="2000x1376" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="Muscat, Oman" data-load="false" data-image-id="5d4f0c4e0213620001e26a23" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1565461584129-ASKGNT37AK2Q9M1BP3U7/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kHf-1w4xF-L7DorTf8GMuUF7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UUTAZuMIo5J4N4rLGnnNoReMnz33aheB-sX5PSEPx5OZkbeSqSd-9kWxIIM6xT8ZQw/IMG_0797.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Muscat, Oman</p> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1565461649187-GX8JO9O7OOUF01X7PBGX/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kKAwwdAfKsTlKsCcElEApLR7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UegTYNQkRo-Jk4EWsyBNhwKrKLo5CceA1-Tdpfgyxoog5ck0MD3_q0rY3jFJjjoLbQ/IMG_0883.jpg" data-image-dimensions="2000x1333" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="The call-in-for-spiritual-advice show. She has a white pen in her hand." data-load="false" data-image-id="5d4f0c8eed54340001c5b78b" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1565461649187-GX8JO9O7OOUF01X7PBGX/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kKAwwdAfKsTlKsCcElEApLR7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UegTYNQkRo-Jk4EWsyBNhwKrKLo5CceA1-Tdpfgyxoog5ck0MD3_q0rY3jFJjjoLbQ/IMG_0883.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">The call-in-for-spiritual-advice show. She has a white pen in her hand.</p> <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1565461620120-653M41YTDKGZVYDZU9VB/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kHNtuoBdcGpitzsCBhuE4lZ7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UZV5DdHStNEuH52csa2KDtW56Dj65gFc7fud54iGK3iyQVQBMoe75ng871_TLYDYkQ/IMG_1074.jpg" data-image-dimensions="2000x1374" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="In the dunes near Dubai, UAE." data-load="false" data-image-id="5d4f0c72ddad2700019147c5" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1565461620120-653M41YTDKGZVYDZU9VB/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kHNtuoBdcGpitzsCBhuE4lZ7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1UZV5DdHStNEuH52csa2KDtW56Dj65gFc7fud54iGK3iyQVQBMoe75ng871_TLYDYkQ/IMG_1074.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">In the dunes near Dubai, UAE.</p>

 I wanted to see the place where a war between the United States and Iran may begin. It turned out people over there couldn’t talk to me on tape because they live in countries without a tradition of free speech and they all feel they are being watched, and I didn’t want to get anybody in trouble. So this is a travelogue, a story about what it’s like to be there.The psychedelic Persian Gulf surf music is by Hayvanlar Alemi (he’s actually from Turkey). Here’s the link to his website. Donate Abu Dabi Workers taking a break in Khasab, Oman. On the boat heading out to the Strait of Hormuz. Near Kumzar, Oman, in the Strait of Hormuz. Fujairah, UAE. Tuna and Sardines, Muscat, Oman. Muscat, Oman The call-in-for-spiritual-advice show. She has a white pen in her hand. In the dunes near Dubai, UAE.

The Strait of Hormuz

Alan Chin talks about his experience covering wars since 9/11.

Alan Chin--Photographer

<img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1561311899815-ROXIJGLM5BUNDLQB0YLY/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kFdj1LU3QXNrC7XCDJRXSjl7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1US_GH6w34F4AbXQYP1mTMh6WZrJMPe9RIQ00FIMO_YvQxJ-BQGo94klLBA8TVf45lA/suntunnel-2.jpg" data-image-dimensions="2000x1500" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="For the solstice, the sun tunnels in the West Desert of Utah." data-load="false" data-image-id="5d0fba9a95d2ac000184307b" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1561311899815-ROXIJGLM5BUNDLQB0YLY/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kFdj1LU3QXNrC7XCDJRXSjl7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1US_GH6w34F4AbXQYP1mTMh6WZrJMPe9RIQ00FIMO_YvQxJ-BQGo94klLBA8TVf45lA/suntunnel-2.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">For the solstice, the sun tunnels in the West Desert of Utah.</p> <p class="">Stories about going to war come from the top down, from media corporations that manufacture consent for war among the people. Stories about not going to war move from the bottom up, starting in conversations between family and friends, people speaking out for no money but just because they feel obligated to speak. In this approach there’s a shift in context where fear is taken out of the narrative—we are not being attacked, maybe these people are not our enemy. Maybe the real enemy is our government and our media that are being controlled by the military industrial complex. I believe bottom up stories can break apart the power structure coming down from above, so this is one of them.</p> Donate <img class="thumb-image" data-image="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1561312748169-GJT497QJEO6LEMZM02BD/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kFdj1LU3QXNrC7XCDJRXSjl7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1US_GH6w34F4AbXQYP1mTMh6WZrJMPe9RIQ00FIMO_YvQxJ-BQGo94klLBA8TVf45lA/IMG_1555.jpg" data-image-dimensions="2000x1500" data-image-focal-point="0.5,0.5" alt="Scott Carrier and William J. Astore on the house raft in Woods Hole Harbor." data-load="false" data-image-id="5d0fbde7321ce60001f0dcad" data-type="image" src="https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54dd0f40e4b084e8da72e7db/1561312748169-GJT497QJEO6LEMZM02BD/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kFdj1LU3QXNrC7XCDJRXSjl7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QPOohDIaIeljMHgDF5CVlOqpeNLcJ80NK65_fV7S1US_GH6w34F4AbXQYP1mTMh6WZrJMPe9RIQ00FIMO_YvQxJ-BQGo94klLBA8TVf45lA/IMG_1555.jpg?format=1000w" /> <p class="">Scott Carrier and William J. Astore on the house raft in Woods Hole Harbor.</p>

 For the solstice, the sun tunnels in the West Desert of Utah. Stories about going to war come from the top down, from media corporations that manufacture consent for war among the people. Stories about not going to war move from the bottom up, starting in conversations between family and friends, people speaking out for no money but just because they feel obligated to speak. In this approach there’s a shift in context where fear is taken out of the narrative—we are not being attacked, maybe these people are not our enemy. Maybe the real enemy is our government and our media that are being controlled by the military industrial complex. I believe bottom up stories can break apart the power structure coming down from above, so this is one of them. Donate Scott Carrier and William J. Astore on the house raft in Woods Hole Harbor.

Let's Talk About Not Going To War

Home of the Brave: new and old stories from "This American Life" contributor Scott Carrier.

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Home of the Brave

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